OK... thanks david, I tried it this afternooon, I put some water on and some in front of the tires before I tried it. At first, the car slid, stopped, and then started again... I forgot to turn off the traction control. The second time, I turned it off, and the tires were still kinda slick, I dropped the brake at about 1800 rpm, and nothing happened. I tried it at 3000, and the car was just screaming... the tires kept spinning and spinning. The smoke started after about 8 seconds of the tires spinning. I smoked them for about 15 seconds, and the whole cabin smelled like smoke for the rest of the night. I'm starting to regret doing this, because these tires are kind of new, but it was worth it. I'll try to post the pic one of these days.