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I will try to explain this to the best of my ability. Several weeks ago I noticed that when I turn the steering wheel ever so slightly to the left there would be a low grinding noise coming from the front near the steering area. The noise almost sounds as if you took an empty soda bottle and blew over the top to create that whooshing wind noise. This would typically happen on the highway traveling over 40 mph and where the road veers to the left. To better understand how little of a movement from the steering wheel is required, imagine your left hand at 9:00; all you need to do is move it so that it is now in the 8:00 position.<p>Over time the noise got louder and louder and not only when turning to the left but also to the right. So off to the dealer I go. First time around they return the car and say they cannot reproduce the noise. The second time they suspect it has to do with the brakes even though the noise is there when strictly accelerating or when your foot is not applied to either pedal. Once again I get the car back and still have the same problem. One morning I happen to have a friend with me in the car and he also heard the noise so we go to the dealer together and try to describe the exact noise and scenario so that they too can replicate it. Once again they are unable to reproduce and played around with several other items which naturally did not fix the problem. <p>While driving the next time the noise came back on. I happened to have a camera with me that records mpg’s and taped the noise as well as my hand placement on the wheel. I then forwarded the clip to the service manager who then forwarded to the northeast’s senior technician. The technician came down a week later and took the car for a drive with the service manager and luckily for me they were able to reproduce the noise but first decided to tape certain items down thinking it is wind. At that point they suspected that it is either the steering pump or rack. He also suggested that I try it without the A/C on; mind you it has been over 90 the entire week, as they had a similar incident with another car.<p>They then decided to replace the pump as it the easier and cheaper of the two. They also rotated the tires and tightened some assembly between the windshield and the hood as well as ‘refit and rivet fender liner’. As you can guess when I took the car back that night the noise was still there. So I call the manager back and arrange to bring the car back for the 5th time. Yesterday they decided to replace both left and right front hubs as one of them was ‘tight’ and apparently expands in the heat which could be causing the grinding. <p>On the way home last night I though I heard the noise or perhaps it was only in my head as they were suggesting all along and I was now listening for it. As I am sure by now you can guess what I heard on the way in to the city this morning. Yes, it was back and as loud and consistent during the last 6-8 weeks. <p>So I now turn to you or anyone that might have experienced the same thing or even similar type of noise and has some sort of recommendation. Any advice would be greatly appreciated other than CRANKING up the radio. <p>Thanks in advance,<br>David<br>
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (lieberd)

There have been people on this board with steering rack problems. It is possible that's it. <p>BTW, what dealer are you going to?
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There have been people on this board with steering rack problems. It is possible that's it. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>exactly! fasts60r had this issue several times. you could PM him since he is now an expert with this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There have been people on this board with steering rack problems. It is possible that's it. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Other common possibilities would be low power steering fluid, or a wheel bearing starting to go.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (lieberd)

The fact that this is directional related and they are fooling around with such things as air conditioning does give me some pause as to their diagnostic abilities.<p>Since they have shotgunned many items, some not any remotely related to your noise description, it almost certainly is the steering rack. A known failure point, and your description matches symptoms.<p>Since this will be your 6th try with this dealer, you may want to take it somewhere else if that is reasonalbe. I would say you have given this dealer plenty of opportunity to get it right, if they had the skill to do so.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (rogersampson)

Yeah, I get that also, if I turn left or right I get a vibration/grinding sound coming from the front also. My local volvo dealer told me nothing, nor did they fix it.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (frogsthatmoo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>frogsthatmoo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, I get that also, if I turn left or right I get a vibration/grinding sound coming from the front also. My local volvo dealer <B>told me </B><B>nothing,</B> nor did they fix it. </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Dealer will never tell YOU anything, you have it backwards.<br>YOU have to tell them the problem and tell THEM to fix it
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (JRL)

As explained above it is the steering rack that is making the noise. The culprit is the resevoir for the fluid has failed. I had the same symptoms and they found it was a kinked P/S line and this caused the rack to "starve" for fluid. Once the grinding starts the damage is done. They should replace the steering rack immediately. I have had this done twice on my 04 R and all is well on the 2nd fix. This is a well known issue that Volvo is aware of (just will not admit it). I know there is a TNN# but I can not find it right now. I will do some research and get back to you. Rick
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (Mash)

TNN64-17-2004-04-13<br>Power steering fluid leak at reservoir<br>Under certain conditions the power steering system may leak fluid at the reservoir suction hose connection.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (lieberd)

Had the same issue on my 04 for a number of months. Dealer first replaced power steering hose with a high capacity hose; no change. Just last week dealer replaced steering rack but I haven't really had a chance to drive it so the jury is still out. Check out FAQs and search 'steering'. There are a number of posts realted to steering issues some of which may be applicable. My dealer found the information quite helpful in coming up with a cause. I'll let you know in a week or so if this latest fix solves the problem.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (navigator)

brought the car in this morning and they fixed 'something'. they are not telling me what as I tend to focus. I will update later what exactly was done.<br>david
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (lieberd)

What is that supposed to mean? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>They MUST tell you what they found
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is that supposed to mean? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>They MUST tell you what they found</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think it means they don't want to tell him while they still have time to work on the car. I'm sure they'll put the actual work on the invoice. <p>Remember, this is Martins he's dealing with. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (needsdecaf)

and the saga continues... <p>I picked up the car last night and they did not want to tell me what they did as they felt I would focus on it. sure enough on the way back home the noise was still there . I called the service manager and told him that if the only thing he did was add the 'recorders' in order for them to tell where the nosie is coming from he can now take them out and atually fix the car. I asked what was actually done and his response was some body work as there was a HOLE somewhere in the chasis that vovlos STS (what ever that is) wanted to try to plug the hole first as the noise could be coming from there. <p>I told him that from day one they are focusing on the wrong thing as the noise is there from almost every speed ranging from 5-75+ mph. He finally agreed to change the rack. so I dropped off the car for the 8th time on this particular issue.<p>i'll keep you posted.<br>dsl
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (lieberd)

A hole in the chassis somewhere? I think it's time for a new dealer after this ordeal. Why in god's name would they not tell you what it was they were doing? 8 times on the issue and it's not resolved, go somewhere else or look into the lemon law at that point.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (Vipergtsz3)

make that 10x and still not resolved. picked up the car tuesday night and they had ordered the wrong rack. The rack in VIDA has since been updated. I did bring the car back yesterday morning and they did replace the rack; HOWEVER, and as you can guess they called me that the noise is still there and after driving it home last night it sure is.<p>They are looking into a few options such as tires as they did offer to change the stock to my winter on the house. They will also check the a/c compressor and power steering pump which was initially ordered but the volvo rep nixed it and went with body holes instead. They are waiting to hear back from Volvo's HQ as they are really out of suggestions.<p>If anyone wants to hear and see the clip, IM or email and I'll send it to you as it is 10mb file.<p>dsl
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (lieberd)

Dave:<p>I can tell you that what I heard on your clip is NOT anything related to tires. It is most definitely a strange noise. <p>You have a good case for lemon lawing the car at this point, although you will have to pay mileage charges depending on how many miles you have on it (belive me I know more about the lemon law that I would like to). <p>If you don't, I'd take it to Kundert or Paul's. Kundert is big enough to have loaners, and you should go right by there on the way into the city.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (lieberd)

I recall there a few folks here that had a noise issue that was resolved by properly installing a firewall grommet. I do not remember the specifics, but it resulted from other work being done on the car and the grommet not being reinstalled correctly.<p>Search the archives, or others may recall the issue.
 

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Re: HELP! Grinding Noise While Turning Slightly (rogersampson)

I'm having a similar intermittant noise on my 05 S60R ... like you describe a harmonic vibration much like blowing over the mouth of a bottle that's has no relationship to speed, etc. It is very intermittant, can be very hard to hear then can suddenly get very loud such that it vibrates the whole car. I've noticed it most at slow speeds just coasting (low RPMs) and sometimes making slight turns. It stops immediately if I apply the brakes.<p>A month ago Shelley Volvo added some isolation o-rings to the sub-frame and I had new brake pads put on as they were getting on the thin side. Since then I've noticed the sound less frequently, but it still shows up occasionally. The really wierd thing? I've heard it get VERY loud three times since that service, each time at exactly the same geographic location, dropping my son off at the Block in Orange. Each time it made the sound, I had just gotten off the freeway, gone through a series of left and right turns to get into the parking lot, and it just appeared and shook the whole car while I coasted through the parking lot. I then cruised over to an empty area of the parking lot and got it to happen on slow rolls through the parking lot, particularly when I turned slightly to the right. Then I'd drive home and it would just as mysteriously disappear. I can drive all day long and it won't show up again.<p>The line of thought on the power steering seems like it would be headed in the right direction ... though I'm wondering if there's any connection between the power steering and the brakes ... normally power brakes are vacuum assist while the steering is hydralic. I'm just assuming that's still a design used in modern Volvos. If the sound is truly connected to the power steering, having it go away when I apply the brakes doesn't quite add up, unless the power assist on the brakes isn't vacuum but is hydralic instead ... and yes I know brakes are hydralic in general, I'm talking about the power assist mechanism.<p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by dawghouse at 4:10 PM 8-3-2006</i>
 
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