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Well, after looking at the 2000 V70R, and being a little disappointed, I figured for a few more dollars why not just get something brand new.<P>So I come to you and I'd appreciate some feedback. The only requirement handed down from my wife is that it needs to be an automatic. I really like the V70 T5 and the Audi S4 Avant. The new 01.5 Passat wagon is not bad either.<P>The Jetta wagon is on the smaller side and doesn't offer the 24v VR6 with Tiptronic until the fall. The BMW 3series wagon seems low on power compared to the V70. I haven't looked at the WRX wagon yet, but have heard other complain that it looks "plasticy". Are there any others worth considering? Is Lexus coming out with a wagon?<P>Thanks,<BR>Chris<BR>'99 GLT
 

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I was very close to getting the 01.5 Passat a month ago, in fact, had one on order with the deposit down. <P>But I'd been lusting for the XC for a few years, and once I found out I would have to wait close to three months to get the Passat it was pretty easy to justify the XC.<P>The Passat is a beautiful car, it's just that once we priced it all out with V6 4motion, it was close enough to the XC that the Volvo just made more sense.<P>We haven't got the Jetta Wagon in Canada yet, but it looks interesting. As long as they can get a bit more room into the back seat than the sedan, it's basically a 4 door 2 seater!<P>Haven't got the BMW wagon here, nor the S4 Avant ... <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/frown.gif"> though I think they're on their way.<P>The only car you haven't mentioned that might be on my list would be the Subaru Legacy GT.. worth a look?<P>Good luck with the search!<p>[This message has been edited by coastal (edited 04-24-2001).]
 

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That's a thought, a Lexus GS400 Wagon with a sport package. Hmmm..... Naw, I'll stick with my T5. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>Bruce<BR>'01 V70 T5, White/Taupe/Tint, Almatheas, DOB 3/2000, 6400 mi, Mobil1, FID 540 & 616, Pirelli's w/o bubbles, Geartronic that doesn't clunk and steering that doesn't click
 

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Lexus is bringing an IS 200/300 estate in Europe. I think, it will come to the US, too. <P>If I had to chose between the V70 and the S4 Avant, I would definitely go for the Volvo. The space difference between these two cars is just like the size of Texas compared to Maryland. The V70-engine has an absolutely great sound, speed figures are also excellent, I think we don't have to talk about safety in Volvos and last but not least, the complete construction of the Volvo is brand new - while the Audi is already some 7 or 8 years old.
 

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I woulda bought a Lexus wagon if it existed. Basing the wagon on the IS would make it more like a little V40 though. We need the GS400 baby! Give me cargo room, and give me power (plus excellent dealer reputation, best auto transmissions on the planet, etc).<P>But I do still like my V70 T5 (just to put me back on the subject a wee little bit.) But a guy can dream.<P>- Darell
 

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Thats a tough decision, me being both an Volvo and Audi fan. There is one thing that you need to ask your self. What are your thoughts on aftermarket? If you are going to be doing upgrades, I would go with the S4. Its a V6 with twin turbos, vs a I5 with one turbo. The S4 with a chip gets you into the 307 hp, 366 lb-ft range. Then there is the warrenty. Audi does EVERYTHING for you for the first 3 years... even oil changes are coverd. I do love volvo, but, when it comes to the S4... its just a bute! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P><P>
 

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I test drove the T5 and a XC tonight. Both very nice. T5 kept spinning the tires when I punched it. I could definately "hear" the tire noise difference but the XC still accelerated well and I kind of like the cladding around it, a little tougher looking.<P>The dealer can get me into a new T5 for about $37.4...sticker is +/- $40.300. When compared to the S4 Avant, $41k, its a significant enough price diff. and Volvo has 6.9% financing. And since S4 production ends in July deals on S4s and S4 Avants are much more difficult.<P>I prefer the Volvo geartronic to Audi's Tiptronic for one reason. The Tip automatically upshifts from 1st and you can't downshift to 1st...so an autocross is tough, the geartronic stays in first and you can downshift to first.<P>How much are the permenate roof rack rails? and can they be installed afterwards. I'm leaning towards a silver/grey T5 w/ 17" wheels. How much are those rear hatch spoilers off the roof?<P>I would like to do an aftermarket chip & exhaust and the 300+hp of the S4 would be very nice. My wife prefers the V70, so a T5 or XC makes getting the new car "bill" easier for her to swallow.<P>I haven't looked it up yet but what kind of 1/4 mile time does the T5 have? Is there an aftermarket exhaust and/or chip available?<P><BR>Thanks for the feedback,<BR>Chris<BR>'99 S70 GLT<BR>
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Then there is the warrenty. Audi does EVERYTHING for you for the first 3 years... even oil changes are coverd <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><BR>[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Volvo offers that now too. Three years, all maintenance included. I was told they were testing it out for a while to see how it goes, so the offer may be for a limited time.
 

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Unless brakes and rotor wear are covered (which I doubt), just oil changes at the long intervals now suggested are no big deal in making a choice between models.
 

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I looked at the S4 Avant tonight. For being a highend dealership they sure have the trailerpark sales techniques down.<P>Definately less room but more power. Both cars look good, IMHO. The dealer offered me a whopping $800 off the S4 Avant for a color I'm not 100% sold on. <P>I'm really torn, the power and aftermarket for the Audi, two nice checks in the plus column. <P>The close dealership, excellent service and more room of the V70 T5 are in its "plus" column.<P>
 

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The C 32 AMG... this is very tight ride!<BR>I wonder how much it costs?<P>The sportiest version of the C-Class is the C 32 AMG. Behind its outstanding top performance is an AMG V6 compressor engine with an output of 260 kW (348 hp), which accelerates the C 32 AMG from 0 to 100 km/h (0-60 mph)in only 5.4 seconds. Its maximum torque of 450 Nm at 4400 rpm is also the envy of others in its class.<BR>The C 32 AMG has a lot more to offer besides. In the interior, for example, you will find two-tone, perforated nappa leather upholstery, AMG sports seats in the front and an ergonomic AMG steering wheel. And for the exterior there's the extensive AMG styling package, 17" AMG twin-spoke light-alloy wheels, an AMG high-performance braking system with perforated brake discs at the front, AMG sports suspension and a chrome-plated twin exhaust tailpipe.<BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.mercedes-benz.com/globpics/photos_c-class-t/c7.jpg"> <BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.mercedes-benz.com/globpics/photos_c-class-t/e6.jpg"> <BR><P>
 

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Caddy,<BR>I am in a similar position; looking for a roomy, AWD, auto (wife), FUN (powerful) wagon. For ! MY ! needs I have arrived at the following conclusions:<BR>--WRX too small<BR>--S4 Avant: is fun, but too small.<BR>--Passant too small and underpowered.<BR>--BMW 3 Series too small and underpowered.<BR>--BMW 5 series, underpowered.<BR>--XC, underpowered.<BR>--V70 T5, no AWD.<P>Yes, you can do the Volvo roof rails aftermarket; I did, don't recall the price though.<P>I agree with your criticism of the Audi Tip!<P>Don't dismiss the Volvo aftermarket, there are at least 3 REPUTABLE chip and exhaust makers. I have the 2.7 Biturbo--same engine as the S4--in my A6 and I am very apprehensive about chipping it. I am usually not at all skittish about tuning --formerly owned a completely "IPD'ed" 850 Turbo--but this 2.7 has "issues."<P>So I now have an order for a S6 Avant due late summer. However, the final drive ratios for this just announced car are not set and if the performance numbers are not significantly better then it's european counterpart, than I am going to bail on the S6 and chip my '99 V70 R AWD.<P>(Just a note with respect to the AMG, I am sure that those 0-60 numbers are for a manual, the poster is looking for an auto.)<p>[This message has been edited by ICONCLS (edited 04-27-2001).]
 

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well, after test driving and comparing the <BR>Rob, the Mercedes is nice looking.<P>After test driving and comparing the S4 Avant I went with it. Although smaller the fun factor and awd were the things that pushed me to the Audi vs the Volvo. I still prefer the geartronic for its ability to access 1st gear, but the Tiptronic feels as though it shifts smoother.<P>It was a very hard decision, the V70 T5 is very nice and the dealership has outstanding service.<P>ICON, good luck with the S6.<P>-Chris
 

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"--BMW 5 series, underpowered."<BR>540I Touring:<BR>282 horsepower @ 5400 rpm<BR>324 pound-feet @ 3600 rpm<BR>0-60 in the 5.9... you think that is underpowered? Stock, normally asperated, for me, that is hardly slow. You might be able to get the 6spd in it too. Not sure about that one though...<P><P>
 

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Auto Sportswagon 6.3; still not what I am looking for. Actually, I should not have even icluded the 5 series bec. lack of AWD.<p>[This message has been edited by ICONCLS (edited 04-28-2001).]
 

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turboale...<P>Probably was referencing the 525i(2.5L 184 hp I6) not the 540i(4.4L 282 hp V8) - 540i's are very nice performance estates, but no awd & lots of $.<P>ICONCLS...<P>"--Passant too small and underpowered."<BR>The Passat's have dead on silmilar head, leg, & shoulder specs as the V70 and the EPA cargo volume gives the the upper hand to the Passat though only slightly. Yikes... can't believe I'm defending a VW. IMHO... I think the the Passat needs some styling improvements but for those who can wait a few months, don't forget about the W8 wagon... this should be very nice if it hits our shores.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/news/02_01/02_27/geneva_01/w8_passat/rear2.jpg"> <BR>This wholly new, highly compact four-liter, eight-cylinder design currently represents the most powerful engine in the Volkswagen range. It provides superior comfort and refinement, already developing its maximum torque of 370 newton meters (273 lb/ft of torque) at 2,750 rpm and is capable of propelling the Passat to a maximum speed of 250 km/h (155 mph). The Passat W8 will be available as a saloon or estate from the second half of 2001 in Europe and all models will be equipped with 4MOTION four-wheel drive. Volkswagen of America isn't expeected to introduce this model till the North American International Auto Show in January of 2002.<BR> <IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/7/332/936/0001/www.edmunds.com/media/2001/genevaautoshow/02.vw.w8.wagon.r3-4.350.jpg"> <BR> <IMG SRC="http://a332.g.akamai.net/7/332/936/0001/www.edmunds.com/media/2001/genevaautoshow/02.vw.w8.eng.350.jpg"> <A HREF="http://www.vwvortex.com/news/02_01/02_27/geneva_01/w8_passat/index.shtml" TARGET=_blank>http://www.vwvortex.com/news/02_01/02_27/geneva_01/w8_passat/index.shtml</A> <P>
 
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