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I got my first ticket in a long time since I stopped using a detector 5+ years ago and decided to just limit my fun to stretched of freeway where I know there are no traps. But tired one night and not watching my speed near my house, got a 10 over in a 40. Pisses me off. Need a detector to prevent that from happening again. <p>I had the cord from the lighter option. Thinking of either mounting it right below the rain sensor and hardwire into the mirror power, or dash mounting it all the way over to the left and running a wire up the left side of the dash. I don't want it smack in the center of the dash or lower middle windshield, yuk.<p>Anyone one with experience want to recommend the best option and where to get power from? I may just pay a local shop to do it. Can't me more than an hour work - pretty cheap, but that's why I think it should be an easy DIY.<p>And no, I don't want an expensive remote mount system. I'm not going to have the car much longer.<br>
 

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Re: Hardwiring Radar Detector (jazee)

as far as the power its very simple, you may tap into the fuse box or sunroof controls<p>I have a GPS installed on left side of my rearview mirror and got the power from sunroof controls
 

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Re: Hardwiring Radar Detector (s140s)

Can you elaborate a little. I'm not stupid but I don't want to mess the car up breaking something trying to get behind the controls. Been a while since I looked at the inside fusebox. Where is the ignition power down there?<p>Thanks.<br>
 

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Re: Hardwiring Radar Detector (jazee)

<IMG SRC="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/clee130/s60/IMG_0001Medium-1.jpg" BORDER="0"><p><br>For the 12v source (for boost gauge) I used the fuse for the cigarettle lighter and ground under the bolt
 

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Re: Hardwiring Radar Detector (jazee)

What ever you do dont ever get pulled over in VA now the cops out there dont like th e rader detectos
 

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you do know that once your radar detector beeps, too late! and if you jam on the brakes, which is instinct, you look even more guilty. so i never really got the point.
 

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That's really only the case with Laser when you don't have laser jamming. The majority of cops use radar. In the past radar detectors have saved me from getting a ticket many times. The only time I got a ticket when I had a detector was when the cop was around the corner and there was no cars up ahead of me. They've even saved me once from laser as the scatter from them shooting a car ahead of me set my detector off, but usually, if there aren't a lot of cars on the road, if you get shot with laser, it's too late by the time your detector goes off. That's just laser though.<br>
 

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Unless you have a V1! Mine saves me ALL THE TIME (and it's hardwired and beautiful)<p>Now lasers, that's another story...
 

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Nowadays, cops rarely use radar detectors (at least where I live - thats because cops like the extended range of laser guns here where they can shoot you from down the interstate and take time to hop in their car and get behind you. Cops in bigger cities may use radar more). Most have switched to laser/lidar guns that are instant on systems. And even if they used radar guns, they probably have the instant on radar guns that are also hard to detect.<p>With constant on radar, when cops aim at people in front of you, the radar reflections off of those cars come to your detector which beeps and tells you to slow down before you are hit directly by the cop's radar gun. And these guns emit a constant stream of RF waves, making it very easy to detect.<p>And I do not believe there are such things as radar jammers, because that would involve emitting an interfering RF signal, which I think would violate a variety of FCC rules (like when you read on the back of devices that it says it follows FCC rule 14 I believe, where it accepts interference but does not interfere with devices itself) - Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.<p>With instant on radar guns, the cop has a trigger on his gun, and when you come close, he hits the trigger, and the gun then emits a signal which hits cars and comes back. But because of the reflective nature of RF waves, you are still likely to receive reflections off of cars ahead of you, and detect these with your detector, and slow down before hit directly yourself.<p>And when you see cops, you can tell what guns they have - guns with one or no sights on them, and often with a flat plastic front, are radar. <p>But if you see a cop with a gun that has two or three lenses on them, you know that's a laser/lidar gun. Laser works by when the cop hits a trigger, the gun emits an infrared laser beam targeted toward a reflective part of your car (eg white license plates, headlights, etc.), it hits your car, reflects back to the gun, and it figures your speed based on the doppler effect, just like all speed guns do. Problem with this is that the infrared beam doesn't scatter as much as RF does. So the beam often just hits the targeted car and goes back to the gun, and doesn't reflect too well to cars behind. So with a laser detector, you often might not detect a laser gun presence in the area unless hit directly. <p>However, it is possible to jam laser guns. By putting infrared LED's and around your car's hotspots (license plates, under your headlights, etc.), and wiring those up to a radar detector only and laser detector/jamming system, you'll be covered. You will be able to detect reflected RF gun waves and slow down before being hit directly with those, be able to detect laser gun reflections and slow down before being hit directly (that is, if you receive the reflections in the first place), and emit a jamming signal to laser guns when hit directly.<p>But as far as I know, laser jamming systems can be quite pricey. <p>I typed this whole thing out without proofreading it, so if something doesn't make sense, correct me.<p>Example of a radar gun (no sights, flat plastic front):<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.littlelostrobot.com/images/radar_kday.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>Example of a lidar gun with two lenses and no sight:<br> <IMG SRC="http://www.pantagraph.com/content/articles/2008/07/16/news/doc487d23b910cf6136880600.jpg" BORDER="0"> <p>So I would advise you do drive around in police hotspots for a week or two, going the speed limit so you don't get caught, and slow down when you approach the cops so you can take a glance at the type of gun they have - it will be quite obvious to you as to if they use a radar or lidar gun. And based on your observations, decide on whether you simply need to get a radar detector, or a laser jamming system.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DGBibo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, but understand that the cops dont just sit with it on. they shoot it at a car. meaning you get pegged. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Exactly. Most new radar guns are the "instant on" type with a trigger to turn the gun on. Older radar guns used to be "constant on" where they emitted a steady RF stream that was easy to detect. But "instant on" radar guns, and lidar guns (which are only "instant on" - they have to be triggered to turn on) can peg you instantly. But the thing with radar guns is that with those, it is easier to receive scattered waves from cars ahead of you and detect those, versus lidar guns.
 

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While i agree with mostly everything stated, there are plenty of cops that drive around with radar on at all times. There are also plenty of cops who sit doing speed (with radar) and don't use the instant on button.<p>What percentage of people have quality radar detectors? 5%? 10 %? Cops don't need to use 'instant on' to catch people. I bought the Bel GX 65 with GPS. So far so good.<p>As for laser blockers, they are available and work, but by the time you buy a quality system and a quality radar detector, you'll be $2000.00 deep. I'm all set with that.
 

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so i saw something that i thought was a myth but actually was being used by a car. i was driving in a parking lot and something caught my eye, there was a Ford Excursion with one of those license plate covers that is either reflective or blurry (cant really decribe) but its purpose is to prevent stop light cameras and toll road cameras from photgraphing your plates. as we all know non of these methods work and my other thought was, - its Illegal to have license plate covers AT ALL in illinois, but what would a cop think if he saw that and would you get another ticket for trying to scam the system?
 

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Re: Hardwiring Radar Detector (s140s)

Well I'm not sure about your car, but on my '05 S60R, that fuse box you displayed, only the first two columns have fuses. On the key on the back of the cover, cigarette lighter is not listed. There's only 13 active fuses. In addition, I used a test light with the ignition off and they all have power. I believe I want switched power, otherwise I'll have to turn the detector on each time I get in the car if it has auto shut off after 3 hours and it should be on when the ignition is off anyway. I done lots of DIY stereo installs in the past. I'm too busy for this stuff to spend a couple hours pulling panels and testing wires when I can just drop $60 for an hour work at the local mobile audio shop. <p>Sure would be nice if there was an easily accessible switched power source though. I don't even have the item to do a tap with, just a wire with a male lead and a ground (horseshoe shaped) connector. <p>Nothing is EVER easy. <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DGBibo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i saw something that i thought was a myth but actually was being used by a car. i was driving in a parking lot and something caught my eye, there was a Ford Excursion with one of those license plate covers that is either reflective or blurry (cant really decribe) but its purpose is to prevent stop light cameras and toll road cameras from photgraphing your plates. as we all know non of these methods work and my other thought was, - its Illegal to have license plate covers AT ALL in illinois, but what would a cop think if he saw that and would you get another ticket for trying to scam the system?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I can only speak for CT as I had one of these covers on the rear license plate on my S5. A cop was driving behind me and I could see a confused look on his face as he moved his head (and the car) from side-toside (thereby causing the plate to become obscured). He pulled me and said they are clearly illegal and that I need to remove it ASAP (which I did).
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bb vign</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I can only speak for CT as I had one of these covers on the rear license plate on my S5. A cop was driving behind me and I could see a confused look on his face as he moved his head (and the car) from side-toside (thereby causing the plate to become obscured). He pulled me and said they are clearly illegal and that I need to remove it ASAP (which I did).</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haha, I would have swayed my car along with his just to irritate him. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>But they did do a special on speed cameras/license plate covers on Mythbusters, and they all failed.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>DGBibo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah, but understand that the cops dont just sit with it on. they shoot it at a car. meaning you get pegged. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Horsefeathers. <p>Cops have and still do sit with the thing constantly emitting. ESPECIALLY when driving.
 

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Oh am so pissed at myself for not following my own wisdom and just paying for the hard wire job. 1.5 hrs of dinking around wasted. It appears the '05 and '04 fuse boxes up top on the drivers side of the dash are completely different. S140s unknowingly sent me on a wild goose chase. The switched power is going to be in the fuse box below which is hard to get at and has smaller fuses and is not labeled that I can see. <p>I was hoping to take a peak and find an "easy" way, but I got stubborn and really looked around. Even took the three bolts off from under the steering column, and of course the column cover didn't come off (probably other stuff I needed to do) as I read in another forum there may be an accessory harned hidden there. There is, I can see it, has grey with blue stripe wires I think. May test it later.<p>I still need to drive to the store to get the wire tap or fuse access connector (about 40 min there) then wire it. Arggghhh!<p>I just wasted part of my work day (work for myself from home) and lost $150 in billable hours. <p>See, THAT'S why I pay people to do this crap. I guess for a second I thought I was in my 20's again and too poor to pay for install work, or just wanted the satisfaction of DIY, but that satisfaction lost its luster many years ago. <p>Enough rambling..<p><br>
 

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Does anyone know where I can find a map of the lower fuse box on an '05 S60R?<p>If I can find a fuse tap thingy in that smaller size, it should be really easy to just plug into the lighter fuse - if I can just find out where it is.<br>
 

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Wish I would have saw this thread:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=119741&postid=1253932" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/z...53932</A><p>Now I just need to find a working flashlight and figure out which fuse is F11 and cross my fingers the auto parts store has a mini fuse add-a-fuse adapter (or order it from Amazon). I have too much time invested to give up on this.<br>
 
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