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Hey all,<p>This is my first post, and I would like an opinion on which of these is better value and better car. (non biased of course:)<p>I have a GTI reserved at VW, but it won't be here until August, and perhaps that is a good thing. I don't like the wait, and I am not sure that I am looking for the many problems that plague VWs.<p>The S40 costs a little more, but I have a feeling it is worth it. My Volvo salesman has pretty much the same lease rate for both the T5 and T5AWD.<p>Could someone or a few of you give me some direction as I am pretty new to the Volvo family but I have heard only good things.<p>I am guessing that you all will say S40 - but which one?<p>thanks in advance<br>David<p>
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (juanadanac)

Personally I think they are totally different cars...it's all about what you want to get out of your car...simply point A to B or more than that? I'd also post this question over on VWvortex.com because here you will probably hear the S40 and there the GTI but you might be able to take little things from both sites to make your own decision...good luck!
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (XK120)

They are different cars. I guess I want a crash course on the S40. I have read as much as I can about it, but I want to hear from some owners. I have spent much time on vwvortex, and I know what they will say:)<p>
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (juanadanac)

My wife has a GTI VR6 MK4, I have a V50 T5 AWD.<p>GTI = 174-hp, 2.8-liter V-6 (hers)<br>V50 = 218-hp, 2.5-liter I-5 (mine)<p>Granted the GTI is smaller and lighter, but my butt dyno feels like the V50 is faster out of the gate. I have not driven the new GTI though, and don't know what engine you're getting in the new model...<p>Overall I like the finish and design of the Volvo (swedish style) more than the VW (german style). I used to drive an Audi, and the interior of the Volvo has a cleaner layout IMO.<p>Both fun cars to drive, but you're really talking about two different types of car. C30 (when it hits) will be a closer match for the GTI.
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (juanadanac)

<br>It's a fun car- I like it a lot. I too, was looking at VW, but this was before the new Golf came out and I didn't want any part of those VW problems. I like the design overall, the stereo rocks, the engine actually has torque (I came from a VTEC), handling is decent. The ride can be a bit harsh, esp. on city roads. But there's nothing I hate about the car. I like driving it. Well I take that back- no iPod solution. Unless you get a 2007 model. <p>It's been almost 1.5yrs and I've driven 14,000mi. The only unscheduled service was a software update to stop the stereo from freezing. I still get the maniac engine rev on start up, but that happens like once every few months. It's rare enought that when it happens I'm like, "Oh yeah, I totally forgot about this." I'll mention that when I go in for my 15K service.<p>I really do like the new Golf though and the GTI looks fantastic. I think it boils down to what you really want- do you want more of a performance oriented car with the street cred? Or something different that gives up some performance for some neat design touches and luxury features? <p>
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (juanadanac)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>juanadanac</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey all,<p>This is my first post, and I would like an opinion on which of these is better value and better car. (non biased of course:)<p>I have a GTI reserved at VW, but it won't be here until August, and perhaps that is a good thing. I don't like the wait, and I am not sure that I am looking for the many problems that plague VWs.<p>The S40 costs a little more, but I have a feeling it is worth it. My Volvo salesman has pretty much the same lease rate for both the T5 and T5AWD.<p>Could someone or a few of you give me some direction as I am pretty new to the Volvo family but I have heard only good things.<p>I am guessing that you all will say S40 - but which one?<p>thanks in advance<br>David<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Do you mean the GLI or GTI? The GLI(jetta) is more of a direct competitor to the S40 t5 than the GTI(golf). I think the GLI with the optional 18's looks great, and the interior with leather/aluminum is almost audi grade. I've heard nothing but positive reviews on the new turbo 4 cylinder as well as the cars themsevles, and I've seen some negative reviews on the S40/V50 lately. You can also check out the Audi A4 2.0t, it won a comparison test in Road and Track between the s40, infiniti, bmw, mazda, lexus, and subaru, and the S40 got in last <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> . check it out here<A HREF="http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=3280" TARGET="_blank">http://www.roadandtrack.com/ar...=3280</A>
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (s40turbo585)

I drove the Jetta GLI and also Audi A3. Sure, the 2.0 Turbo is smooth. But frankly the cars were not nearly as sporty in terms of handling, and not as fast as the S40. Not to mention also that S40 has AWD as an option. And Volvo's safety goes unparalleled. I've written my opinions on S40 versus Jetta JLI / Audi A3 / Infiniti G35 / Acura TSX / Mazda 6 / Mazda 3 / Subaru WRX and a few others in some other postings, especially where steering feel is involved. These postings can be searched.<p>In fairness, I've heard that the new GTI is somehow sportier than GLI and A3. But then I also heard that the A3 was a little sport demon before the GTI came out. I'd have to drive the GTI (I'm hoping to do this) just to see if I'm missing out. Compared to Jetta GLI and Audi A3, however, the S40 wins hands down in my book. And if you're interested in a sporty little sedan, the TSX is VERY well designed. I kinda think the TSX is "perfect," like Mozart symphony 40 or 41. But the S40, although perhaps quirkier (throttle response), is more potent (like early Beethoven or Schumann symphonies).<p>This from a very happy former Golf owner. I really love the Golf. Got 185,000 miles on it.<p>Incidentally, I do realize that GTI and S40 may be apples and oranges. Nevertheless, juanadanac asked, so I'm answering. S40 is more expensive (not really too much more expensive than similarly equipped A3), and the overall build quality seems better than the VW. So maybe they are not direct competitors. They were for me, though, since the prices were not TOO much different, and because the Golf and V50 (S40's wagon brother) are potential means for me to carry around large musical instruments. <p>
 

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I am tending towards an R32 Golf V in lieu of an S40 t5 AWD (but I live in euroland). Word is you in Canada will miss out.<p>Although exterior size wise the GTI is more comparable to the forthcoming C30 - interior space is better in the golf (5 seats versus a stupid 4 in the c30). <p>If I was looking at FWD only it would be s40 t5 v. GTI. The GTI in Golf V is a 200hp/280 or so NM) turbo 4 only (cheaply chippable to region of 280/400nm). Looks are subjective call (I prefer the golf, slightly), safety seems to be very close (both got 5 stars in the euro ncap crash tests). Allegedly VW reliablility is heading back where it used to be (ie good). <p>The transmissions and ride handling are more to my taste in the VW - firmer, lower, "sportier". And the GTI has the stunning DSG (robotised manual dual clutch paddle shift, as featured in lambos and the bugatti). <p>On build quality, I'd see it as equal - the Golf is pretty nicely screwed together these days.
 

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not only is the Golf V chippable to around 280 ps, but also like the previous generation can fairly easily (compaired to a s40n) take a larger turbo , intercooler etc. yielding higher boost and much more power. current aftermarket limits on the s40n are around 280-290 hp , currently the VW has more pontential. I think with a turbo'ed R36 , I could live with not having the floating center console of the s40n. love my volvo but aftermarket options still isn't in the Vw leage.
 

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VW, gee just about the worst put together car in the world, the S40 windows won't fall down, coil packs explode, water pump fail, and a host of interior parts won't just fall off. Your lucky to get two useful years out of ANY VW damper, while my S40 at one year old actually feels tighter then new.
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (juanadanac)

Where I come from the GTi is around $5-6k USD cheaper than the S40T5 FWD. Thats a signeficant difference.<br>If you are looking for a hot hatch the GTi might be your best car, let alone best value for money. The car looks fantastic and I hear it drives well too.<br>If you are between a hatch and the sport sedan (don't mind either) then it all depends on what you want.<br>In favour of the GTi:<br>- Smaller (if thats an advantage for you, i.e. living in the City).<br>- Has a 2 door version (or 3 doors since its hatch)<br>- Comes with the history of the GTi.<br>- 200bhp 4 cylinders Turbo which means very nice power.<br>- Cheaper<p>In favour of the S40T5:<br>- Available in AWD<br>- 220bhp T5 is very handy and I guess its more powerful/faster on the highway than the GTi.<br>- Gizmos and toys to play with, such as keyless go.<br>- The premium sound system might be the best ever put on any car.<br>- Better seats<p>
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (ZAF)

Yes, newer VWs are garbage. The youth minister at my Church has an '03 Passat V-6 and I can't begin to list the problems it has had, but the worst complaints seem to be the brakes and electronics. It has been for sale for the past year, but nobody wants it.
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (Majisto)

I agree the new GTI looks good, but gee the original GTI was like 2200 lbs an looked good, this "thing" is like 3200 lbs and with all that fat it is a far cry from the orginal concept, IMO the new Mazda 3 or the Focus II with volvo engine is closer to concept. VW can't make anything not fall apart, so why put it in a great looking sports hatch, I already know everything from power windows to sun roof to cup holders will just fall apart.<p>I've worked on VWs for years now, The comment I made about dampers is true, VW-Vortex guys will say "What are you taling about I got my orginal dampers on for 150K miles and they work fine"... Well the truth is when I change out a set of VW dampers to konis etc most from 15K to 45K miles the damper is almost completely if not complletely gone (falls down by itself). Even the lowest Geo Metro has a stiffer set after a year or two... just plain poor quality. <p>The new Passat is one of the best looking cars I've ever seen in and out, it would take a new TDI 134 Hp diesel, 6 speed, no sun roof for me to buy one and deal with all the pain of owning one. That said I wish I could buy a S40 with the 180 HP 5 banger diesel, I'd buy two in a heart beat.
 

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Test drive them both, but be careful, you'll fall in love with it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">.<p>Also, the MK5 platform is much improved over the mk4 and it seems VW is starting to "get it" with regards to their quality.<p>The mk5 has been out for about a year and a half now and as far as I know no major problems to speak of.<p>I like my Volvo but I still like the VAG's. The main reason i'm not in a GTI right now is the 4 door isn't coming till fall and we didn't want to wait that long for a car, but here in Canada the price difference is huge as Volvo's prices seem inflated compared to the US prices.<p>Oh yea, and that 200hp is way underrated. If you test drive the GTI first the Volvo will probably feel slower.
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (juanadanac)

Reading about what Volvo was all about helped influence my decision: <A HREF="http://www.volvocars.us/experience" TARGET="_blank">http://www.volvocars.us/experience</A>/
 

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Re: GTI vs S40 (frankhoffy)

Both nice vehicles indeed.<p>I have always liked VW product and have enjoyed the driving pleasures of owning a Golf. That said I will never consider VW again, because the buying,service, and end of lease experience was DREADFUL and painful to say the least.<p>When I switched from VW to Volvo I have never looked back. My experience after owning 3 Volvo's, "buying,service, and end of lease" has been excellent in comparison.
 

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Gee I've heard the same thing with the MK II, MKIII, MK IV, and now you are telling the MK V is going to be so much better on quality... um no thanks.<p><A HREF="http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=386360&page=7" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.clubrsx.com/show...age=7</A><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Oldman at 10:51 AM 6-5-2006</i>
 

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Don't really know what you're trying to show me, all I see is how boostedvdub had his clutch last with substantial increase in hp <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> (sorry, had to).<p>The R32 is a mk4 (and all the things mentioned, MAF's, window regs, blah blah have ALL been mentioned before and are repaired under warranty), we are talking about the mk5 now. You don't like VW's we get it. There's quite a few threads on here about issues with peoples Volvos in case you haven't noticed (looking at the "my volvo has been a POS" thread)<p>Back to the topic at hand, I do repeat what the others have said about dealer experience, the Volvo experience has been very good but I only have limited experience as I haven't gone in for service yet. VW's dealers don't have the best reputation that's for sure, it will probably be easier to find a friendly Volvo dealer than a VW dealer. I'm not sure why that is, too bad really. The problem with "dealer experience" is it varies by region and manager so there's no guarantees.
 

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Hi. New here... first post.<p>I bought a 2005 S-40 in July 2004 and haven't look back since. Right now there's about 65k KMS on the car. One reason... we love to drive it. <p>A good friend works in the service department of a local VW dealership and is constantly amazed with the perfromance, ride ans styling of the S-40. As someone metioned earlier the S-40 and GTI are two very different automobiles. Having said that... mt friend from the VW dealer was all jazzed about the new GTI when it came out until we did a side by side day trip. He'd drive mine for an hour or so then we'd swap again fro another hour or so. At the end of the day he just said... "there's no comparison... they're two different automobiles but if I was buying new... I'd take the S-40 without batting an eye!" <p>In my mind the GTI has a certain cool factor but the S-40 is in a league above.
 

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volvo has a reputation for long term I mean LONG LONG LONG term life of the drivetrain and body. VW has a reputation for piss poor quality from the days of Adolf. The MK II were complete nightmares, and we all have been hearing how VW has taken quality to heart. I've heard of a new MK V with window problems. Got that? <p>Never said Volvo is the best made car, I did say VW is one of the worst.
 
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