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Well, after readings Sully126's reply and performing some financial recalculations, he is correct is saying a loaded 2.4T with all the goodies will <br>cost close to a T5. So since this purchase is going to last me the next 10 years I might as well go for it. T5 BABY !!! but wait.......... there is just one little problem and where there's a problem a women isn't far behind <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> Hey I'm not misognist but let me share with you what's going on. My significant other wants a automatic and I want the manual. How disappointed will I be if I purchase the Geartronic on the T5 instead of the manual.<p>Three years from now will I be starting warrantless arguements with her because I got the Geartronic so she could be able to drive my car too. Will I wake up in the middle of the night with resentment, starring at her with malicious thougts because I'm stuck in Geartonic purgatory <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> Can I be happy with this compromise? Is the Greartronic vastly more expensive to repair or maintain that the manual?<p>Is it possible to get Bi xenon headlights on a T5 from the Factory, since I'm going to particapate in the 'Overseas Program'. Are they legal over in the US. How much would it cost to have those put on at the factory. I also read some literature that Volvo has an 'upgrade speaker system', I think it's named Dynaudio Audio System Upgrade has anyone heard of it. I think it's offered overseas. <p>Sorry for all the tears on your shoulders, I know it's not polite to cry in public. If anyone has the pieces to this puzzle please feel free to put them in.<p>HUFF
 

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Re: Greed, sometimes we must yield to our temptations!!!! (yohuff)

If you get the GT, you won't use it. Get the regular auto, or a stick.
 

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Interesting predicament. I have the opposite situation. My wife is a big manual fan, so she wants the 5-speed manual. Go figure! Now I just need to convince her that a 6-speed is a requirement. Then I can justify the V70R <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I currently drive a Chrysler 300M with the manumatic 4-speed and I really don't use it that much.<p>Craig
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Well, after readings Sully126's reply and performing some financial recalculations, he is correct is saying a loaded 2.4T with all the goodies will <br>cost close to a T5. So since this purchase is going to last me the next 10 years I might as well go for it. T5 BABY !!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>CONGRATS!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>How disappointed will I be if I purchase the Geartronic on the T5 instead of the manual.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>VERY!!!<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Three years from now will I be starting warrantless arguements with her because I got the Geartronic so she could be able to drive my car too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>If you are a true manua transmission afficionado, you will. On the other hand, it is not difficult to learn how to drive stick shift!<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Will I wake up in the middle of the night with resentment, starring at her with malicious thougts because I'm stuck in Geartonic purgatory <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I can guarantee you that! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> Although it should not ruin your relationship!<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Can I be happy with this compromise?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>You CAN but I doubt that you WILL!<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Is the Greartronic vastly more expensive to repair or maintain that the manual?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I don't know about "vastly" but the manual transmission runs more economically (if you know how to shift), it will definitely cost less to repair/replace if transmission goes bad and with the GT, you will need to change the tranny fluid more often.<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Is it possible to get Bi xenon headlights on a T5 from the Factory, since I'm going to particapate in the 'Overseas Program'.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>No, you can't unless you wait for a 2004 model.<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Are they legal over in the US. How much would it cost to have those put on at the factory. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>It costs $500 but you can't get them on a MY2003 S60. If you must have them, wait for MY2004; they will be out in about 6 months or so.<p><BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I also read some literature that Volvo has an 'upgrade speaker system', I think it's named Dynaudio Audio System Upgrade has anyone heard of it. I think it's offered overseas. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>It is called "AUDIOMAX" and it is the Dolby Surround Sound System. Dynaudio is the brand of the speakers found on the C70s. If you can afford the extra cost I <I> <U>highly recommend it</U> </I>! It is available (and has been since MY2001) for U.S. models. <p><br>Yannis
 

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Re: Greed, sometimes we must yield to our temptations!!!! (yohuff)

I use the GT on an '01 T5. It hasn't had any problems. Shifting is not as reliable as a manual, but you can get used to it and haul. And I still say that really the most satisfying thing about GT is being in a fixed gear on the highway, getting that nice engine braking and instant pickup. Sometimes I think I would prefer a manual to reduce Darrell-induced anxiety, but then I get stuck in Chicago traffic and relax about it. Best wishes.
 

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<<Well, after readings Sully126's reply and performing some financial recalculations, he is correct is saying a loaded 2.4T with all the goodies will<br>cost close to a T5. So since this purchase is going to last me the next 10 years I might as well go for it. T5 BABY !!!>><p>Well, I'm delighted to have been of service. Although after looking more closely at the MY 2003 pricing, my claim was off by a bit. Due to the impressive price reductions in place for MY 2003 over the MY 2002 models (like the T5 I bought in July for $2K more than it costs now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsad.gif" BORDER="0"> ), the 2.4T vs T5 gap has widened a bit to about $1K. But, what 's a grand over the next 10 years, right?<p>WRT the tranny choice, where is your SO coming from with her dislike of the MT? Is it fear of commuting in stop & go traffic? IMHO, that's the only reason to get an AT & if it isn't that, then you really need to get the MT. She can learn to use a clutch very quickly if she doesn't know how to right now. For a car that you hope to drive for 10 years, MT reliability & ease/cost of repair should be superior. & there's NO question a MT is way more fun! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>From what I've gleaned on these boards, some of the early Geartronics were quirky but most of the problems are now ironed out. Which is not to say that the GT is "just like a manual", like a Volvo salesman tried to tell me once. From what I hear, most people never use the GT manual shifting since it just doesn't make driving the car more fun. <p>One more thing, if you're looking to save some $$, consider skipping the T5 premium package (leather & sunroof) & just ordering the leather seats separately thru TDS. Again, over the long haul, sunroofs aren't worth the trouble (reliability/leaks) & you can save around $500 this way. (of course, if $$ is an issue there's also the $1200 that the Geratronic will cost, too! Something else to use on your SO in the fight for a manual <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ) Good luck
 

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Re: Greed, sometimes we must yield to our temptations!!!! (yohuff)

I had the Tiptronic in my S4 Avant and ended up really loving it, especially here in D.C. traffic. The shift controls were also on the steering wheel so shifting was a thumb click away. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>If you get an automatic get the geartronic, at least you can have some fun. I test drove the T5 and a XC with geartronic and they have enough get up. It is not a manual but it is a great compromise if your wife does not drive a stick. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Greed, sometimes we must yield to our temptations!!!! (yohuff)

Go for the manual... If your wife wants to drive your car, she could at least bother to learn how to drive a manual, which is superior to automatic in every aspect, even stop and go traffic. Three or four times in a manual should be enough to get the hang of it, tho I might be a little hesistant to let her use the T5 as the learning vehicle. Anyways good luck on your purchase, we have a '01 T5M and it THE sh*t.<BR><BR>
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