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Yesterday, I turned over the keys to the passion red V70R to the dealer. The lease buyout at 35k$ was ridiculously underwater (by 10K$), Ford leasing would only go down 5 K$ to 30K$because of the low mileage.<p>Soooo ... I walked across the Volvo lot to the Audi dealership and bought an A4 manual 6 speed, premium (whatever that means) sport, loaded save for Nav, for 50K$ including service for 4 years , satellite radio, bang and olufsen sound system, ipod integration etc etc.<p>I wanted to keep the R - I liked the unrefined raw power (including the bog), the extraordinarily challenging handling with the crap Pirelli P zeros summer tires, and the comparatively loud engine and exhaust note (relative to the Audi) ... and simply the fact that no one expects a volvo station wagon to blow lesser 3 series BMW's off the road (ok Audi's too.). I did like the R - it was unconventional.<p>Currently I drive an Audi service loaner, not bad - the automatic is terrible, reminds me of my high commanders XC90 - the car is very quiet, no real bog either. Can't wait for my meteor gray version to show up in 9 days.<p>I test drove the BMW 335 xi, not as quick or as "angry" as the as the R. Also the 335 xi is quite small inside compared to both the Audi and Volvo and being 6'9" and 230lbs that was a big consideration. The Audi is so big inside - I had to move the seat up .... very weird.<p>But honestly after driving the R and "dealing" with those pretentious BM'er wankers at work - I had to go with the Audi. There are soooo many bloody BM'ers in Calgary, I just couldn't bring myself to be part of the BMWanker fold out here.<p> I think if Volvo offered a true R wagon (6 speed 300+ hp, all wheel drive, no plasti-chrome)) in a couple of years, and neither the Canadian or American governments imposed huge tariffs on foreign cars (to protect the domestic government owned Auto industry) - I'd totally be into the Volvo's again.<p>Now I'm stuck with a basically unused V70 R car cover, a new unused CAI, and new load bars to eBay or whatever out of my personal inventory.<p>The last factor against BMW was there legendarily poor service department - 6 weeks to prebook basic services.<p>Sad day - oh well I suppose it's just a car.<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kmagnuss</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At first, I was dumbfounded by the crazy high prices you were preaching...but then I realized you use the funny money.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Give it 12 months and the Canadian dollar will be spanking the US Peso at the rate the Treasury is printing them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Goodbye to the Red VR (Joerg)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Joerg</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yesterday, I turned over the keys to the passion red V70R to the dealer. The lease buyout at 35k$ was ridiculously underwater (by 10K$), Ford leasing would only go down 5 K$ to 30K$because of the low mileage.<p>Soooo ... I walked across the Volvo lot to the Audi dealership and bought an A4 manual 6 speed, premium (whatever that means) sport, loaded save for Nav, for 50K$ including service for 4 years , satellite radio, bang and olufsen sound system, ipod integration etc etc.<p>I wanted to keep the R - I liked the unrefined raw power (including the bog), the extraordinarily challenging handling with the crap Pirelli P zeros summer tires, and the comparatively loud engine and exhaust note (relative to the Audi) ... and simply the fact that no one expects a volvo station wagon to blow lesser 3 series BMW's off the road (ok Audi's too.). I did like the R - it was unconventional.<p>Currently I drive an Audi service loaner, not bad - the automatic is terrible, reminds me of my high commanders XC90 - the car is very quiet, no real bog either. Can't wait for my meteor gray version to show up in 9 days.<p>I test drove the BMW 335 xi, not as quick or as "angry" as the as the R. Also the 335 xi is quite small inside compared to both the Audi and Volvo and being 6'9" and 230lbs that was a big consideration. The Audi is so big inside - I had to move the seat up .... very weird.<p>But honestly after driving the R and "dealing" with those pretentious BM'er wankers at work - I had to go with the Audi. There are soooo many bloody BM'ers in Calgary, I just couldn't bring myself to be part of the BMWanker fold out here.<p> I think if Volvo offered a true R wagon (6 speed 300+ hp, all wheel drive, no plasti-chrome)) in a couple of years, and neither the Canadian or American governments imposed huge tariffs on foreign cars (to protect the domestic government owned Auto industry) - I'd totally be into the Volvo's again.<p>Now I'm stuck with a basically unused V70 R car cover, a new unused CAI, and new load bars to eBay or whatever out of my personal inventory.<p>The last factor against BMW was there legendarily poor service department - 6 weeks to prebook basic services.<p>Sad day - oh well I suppose it's just a car.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I bought out my 06 lease last month. Knocked the price from $35k to $30k and I got an extra year CPO and 60k kms on the warranty. This price may have been a tad high but I know exactly what I had with this car. I couldn't give up the integrated boosters and cargo hauling capacity. For me there was no way that an A4 was going to cut it. I tried a 2008 A6 Avant and fell in love with everything (air suspension was awesome) but the 3.2's lack of punch is what killed that dream.<p>Maybe if the money gods smile upon me I will ditch the R in two years for a 535xiT or A6 3.0T Avant. For now there was nothing in the price range that could match the mighty VR. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>ps. drop me a note if you want to unload your CAI locally.<p><br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>surfsd</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Give it 12 months and the Canadian dollar will be spanking the US Peso at the rate the Treasury is printing them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Agreed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Goodbye to the Red VR (ktm_525)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ktm_525</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I bought out my 06 lease last month. Knocked the price from $35k to $30k and I got an extra year CPO and 60k kms on the warranty. This price may have been a tad high but I know exactly what I had with this car. I couldn't give up the integrated boosters and cargo hauling capacity. For me there was no way that an A4 was going to cut it. I tried a 2008 A6 Avant and fell in love with everything (air suspension was awesome) but the 3.2's lack of punch is what killed that dream.<p>Maybe if the money gods smile upon me I will ditch the R in two years for a 535xiT or A6 3.0T Avant. For now there was nothing in the price range that could match the mighty VR. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>ps. drop me a note if you want to unload your CAI locally.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I hear you with knowing what you have, I have 3 kids and the boosters were critical - I do have misgivings about this deal - but in my case it was 30K$ plus 1500 $, plus GSt, plus the 48K service, plus a new set of summer tires, plus the 3000$ for the extended warranty. So still call it 38K$ for a 3 year old car. I asked Valentine to try to buy it back at auction .... looks like they have two other 06 R MT's on the lot. Blackbook on R's is 24.5 K$ and retail is 26k$<p>I loved that V70R - but the technological change in 3 years in most car brands was stunning. The Audi is OK - but I truly would prefer an updated and ridiculously powerful swedish wagon. I had hoped BMW would import the M5 touring (500 HP, all wheel, with 6 speed Mt) but no dice. I even tried the 535 xi , but was disappointed by the many many squeaks and rattles and the mushy steering in a brand new 75k$ sedan.<p>The other thing that bothered me was the snottiness of the dealers, in particular MB, Lexus and Infiniti. I guess most people shopping for luxo brands must wear suits - you get no attention at all ... even after asking at reception. Sorry that we have jean Fridays at HQ, they usually looked kind of stupid in their dickishness when I handed them my business card, and asked them to call me if they could figure out something that met my needs. At least BMW and Audi called back - the other guys could care less.<p>In any case IM's sent for the folks who expressed interest in the CAi and the fitted VOLVO brand Wagon cover. Thanks for your attention.
 

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I hear you on the dress attire. I always seem to be wearing ripped up cargo shorts and t-shirts on the weekends, and I don't put on something nice to go buy a car. If I don't get any help when I walk through the doors, I walk. It's happened more than once. The other thing I do is send my wife in (she looks like she's 20, and is pretty knowledgeable about cars). If they feed her some bullcrap about the cars and don't listen to her, we don't buy. So far the only salesman we've found that passed the test was at the local Lexus dealership. We went back to buy another new car there, and the guy was gone...that's how we ended up with the Volvo.
 

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Re: Goodbye to the Red VR (Joerg)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Joerg</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I hear you with knowing what you have, I have 3 kids and the boosters were critical - I do have misgivings about this deal - but in my case it was 30K$ plus 1500 $, plus GSt, plus the 48K service, plus a new set of summer tires, plus the 3000$ for the extended warranty. So still call it 38K$ for a 3 year old car. I asked Valentine to try to buy it back at auction .... looks like they have two other 06 R MT's on the lot. Blackbook on R's is 24.5 K$ and retail is 26k$<p>I loved that V70R - but the technological change in 3 years in most car brands was stunning. The Audi is OK - but I truly would prefer an updated and ridiculously powerful swedish wagon. I had hoped BMW would import the M5 touring (500 HP, all wheel, with 6 speed Mt) but no dice. I even tried the 535 xi , but was disappointed by the many many squeaks and rattles and the mushy steering in a brand new 75k$ sedan.<p>The other thing that bothered me was the snottiness of the dealers, in particular MB, Lexus and Infiniti. I guess most people shopping for luxo brands must wear suits - you get no attention at all ... even after asking at reception. Sorry that we have jean Fridays at HQ, they usually looked kind of stupid in their dickishness when I handed them my business card, and asked them to call me if they could figure out something that met my needs. At least BMW and Audi called back - the other guys could care less.<p>In any case IM's sent for the folks who expressed interest in the CAi and the fitted VOLVO brand Wagon cover. Thanks for your attention.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Low thirties is probably what a good retail deal for a creampuff VR with 6 speed manual will go for. I tracked the market for 6 months before my trade in and there were multiple deals in the low thirties. I declined the extended warranty due to the nutty price so I only have two more years of coverage which at that point I will probably ditch the car. If Volvo offered a T6 V70 AWD stick I would be tempted. The T6 is much more refined and the new suspension (ride quality) on the XC70 is worlds ahead of the R. (with 4C).<p>Anyhow I WILL buy your CAI. Drop me a line. Did Valentine keep your car?
 

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The funny part of the Audi deal was the sales manager is a hot late 30's blond lady, who turns out to be the sister in law of consultant and good friend of mine .... small world I suppose.<p>The Car was gone yesterday when I went to drop of the winter tires and wheels (they were included in the lease) and pick up my service loaner from Audi. I talked to Brian at Valentine and was told it was on its way to Ford in Edmonton for the dealers auction. I am going to watch the Volvo inventory to see where it shows up. 9th Avenue auto in Inglewood likes to pick these types of cars up, also.<p>The overall lack of manuals, by anyone is astonishing, admittedly you can't text on the crackberry and drive stick at the same time, but good grief ... the sales folks look at you as if you just dropped onto the planet.<p>The Audi also has 4c like modes - but their version of advanced (called dynamic) is more like volvos sport mode, interesting is the very dramatic change in the throttle and steering response. The real upside is the small turning radius - kind of surprised me and took a couple of turns a little early but didn't curb it.<p>I assume there is an email feature on here, like in most forums.<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Joerg</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The funny part of the Audi deal was the sales manager is a hot late 30's blond lady, who turns out to be the sister in law of consultant and good friend of mine .... small world I suppose.<p>The Car was gone yesterday when I went to drop of the winter tires and wheels (they were included in the lease) and pick up my service loaner from Audi. I talked to Brian at Valentine and was told it was on its way to Ford in Edmonton for the dealers auction. I am going to watch the Volvo inventory to see where it shows up. 9th Avenue auto in Inglewood likes to pick these types of cars up, also.<p>The overall lack of manuals, by anyone is astonishing, admittedly you can't text on the crackberry and drive stick at the same time, but good grief ... the sales folks look at you as if you just dropped onto the planet.<p>The Audi also has 4c like modes - but their version of advanced (called dynamic) is more like volvos sport mode, interesting is the very dramatic change in the throttle and steering response. The real upside is the small turning radius - kind of surprised me and took a couple of turns a little early but didn't curb it.<p>I assume there is an email feature on here, like in most forums.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Audi's adjustable suspension uses magnetorheological fluid, which is the best type of active suspension on the market, IMO (Ferrari agrees). <p>BTW, by E-Mail do you mean "instant message"? Click on the "Send IM" link below a member's name on the left side of their post so send an IM.
 

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Re: Goodbye to the Red VR (Joerg)

Hmm, talking Audi, a used RS4 with 6000-15000 miles on it runs 48-56k these days.<p>I wish you an RS4 really, after you get bored with the current car. Nice choice BTW, congrats<br>on the Audi!
 

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<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Joerg</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nope I meant email - guess it doesn't exist. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>email sent
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kmagnuss</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">03' RS6 FTW!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I've driven the aforementioned beastie, and it is fun. But--only two pedals (no manual transmission available) makes the TT'd 450hp wasted in my book. <p>It's disappointing how few good cars are available with manual transmissions now...
 

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Too bad you couldn't make a deal for the V70R.<p>But I must disagree with one thing - the BMW 335 is quicker than the R.
 

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I just have to throw this out there - the 335 might 'feel' slower - but that' because it has almost no turbo lag. Stock to stock, it will put an "R" to shame (it is *not* slower). Modified to modified, it will put an "R" to shame and hit on your mother!<p>Congrats on the new car. The 2.0T has plenty of potential (and plenty of aftermarket support) if you choose to go that route - you can definitely get it as quick as the "R", if not quicker, and Quattro is like having unprotected sex versus the BS setup Volvo has.
 

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Thanks - yeah I'm getting the gist of the quattro - wow! (on the loaner). It is a very nimble car - seems quite light too.<p>I love this ridiculous small turning radius - no more three point turns to get into the parkade. Almost ran into a wall again because I'm not used to it.<p>The seats on the non sport Audi loaner are ok - I am curious what the sports seats will be like - are they R-like? I do like the adjustable head rests on the Audi - I recall the bolsters on the R Head rest hit me between the shoulders.<p>As far as the 335 goes I think I caused the salesman to poop his pants on the test drive - we explored the upper end of acceleration, speed and handling (now closed racetrack near my house). The BMW appears to have Haldex, according to the sales guy - he said expect identical AWD performance and reliability to the Volvo.<p>I already bought my first two aftermarket parts for the new car polished stainless steel exhaust tips and a K&N filter. Thinking of wheel spacers (like the R) but am still worried about getting rock chips on the fender flares - we like to throw a lot of gravel on our streets in the winter. It wasn't an issue in the R because of the fairly wide mud flaps but the Audi is different.<p>I'm also wanting aluminum racing pedals for Audi.<p>Lastly I want a reco on a decent online community like the Swedespeed R forum. The Audi ones I have seen don't impress - although on one there is a cranky old JRL like character ... that might be the right forum.<p>Damn I miss the R - had to take the wheels of my golfbag cart to fit it in the trunk.<p>And forgot my 10 man river raft doesn't fit in the back either.<p><br>
 

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While other marques might use some iteration of "Haldex," the overall design/implementation is far superior to that of the "R"s. The 335xi actually has some rather awkward gripping characteristics- the inside-front tire will spin a bit while making a tight turn in 1st gear if there's the slightest bit of ill-traction. It's quite annoying IMHO.<p>I also believe that the 335xi uses a traditional differential in the rear, but I could be mistaken? It does, however, not have any ridiculous'angle gear' - the power comes straight out the back of the transmission as it does for a RWD car - from a longitudinal engine.<p>The seats on the Audi are nice, but not as nice as the "R"s believe it or not. While it might have more ways to adjust it, the 'comfort' of the "R" seats is unsurpassed. The headrests do piss me the hell off though <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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