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sh**************tt...! <p><br>I dont' mind getting a Yaris or Camry or Accord or Civic.<p>damn it I usually don't vent about my R.... but this is wayyyyyy too much for me to handle.. I'm going nuts, I want to kill someone, and I want to sell my R. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and don't say I'm crazy, because I'm not. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Dude, F** the FORD. nothing good comes out after they took over. my mechanics simply gave up and wouldn't fix my car (brake squealing), and guess what? they even charge for loaner too.<p>see you folks on Echo/Civic/Accent forum.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (stevectsai)

Hey stevectsai....I know you don't want to hear this and you might say f' it, but you might want to go over to Zen and see if they can look at it. I think you know what I've been going thru with my return visit to the dealer that messed up my strut.... then visits to 3 different dealerships and a trip up to EVOLVE in Monrovia to get some solutions. <p>It took a trip to Zen to finally get it resolved.... well almost. I have to shell out 675 for the new strut and install... then take the dealer to small claims for the damage they caused... then it will be resolved. It will be a 8 month process and I can't wait.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (KillerB)

I got you beat man I went to a dealer 11 times in 10 months of course that was mostly due to that dealer being completely incompitent. Once I took it to another dealer they fixed everything righ tthe first time.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I dont' mind getting a Yaris or Camry or Accord or Civic.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>If you're even considering a $15k Yaris - and your main complaint about the R is brake squealing - my suspicion is that your dissatisfaction has more to do with gas prices and payments/insurance than with the car itself. <p>Whatever the reason, if you're unhappy, get out of the car and into something else, but if you think you're going to get a Lemon Law deal out of squealing Brembos... Think again. <p>Lotus and Porsche use pretty much the same Brembos as the R and they can also have squealing problems and it isn't all about the brakes. A lot of it has to do with driver braking habits and maintenance. Dust build up, improper pad bedding/uneven pad deposition etc. can all contribute to squealing brakes.<p>Some things you could try:<p>- Get the front dampeners and updated pads installed if you haven't. There's a TNN, even the worst svc. dpt. can't ignore that.<br>- Spend a day at the track to remove uneven pad deposition.<br>- Remove the front pads and re-chamfer them yourself.<br>- Brake later and more firmly, they only squeal under light pedal pressure.<br>- Install better chamferred pads like Porterfields and bed them properly.<br>- Install better shims like SS or titanium.<br>- Cut a hole in the floor and use the Flintstone power braking method (wear heavy soled shoes - Fred's got massive callouses on his feet so he doesn't need shoes)<p>-or- <p>Buy the Yaris and be done with it.<p>
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (stevectsai)

I know how you feel. I went back 12 times in one year for my BMW when it was brand new.<br>Went to three different dealers and one indy shop in order to get one single problem resolved. It's very frustrating to spend all that money on a car that sits in the dealer's shop.<p>I still have it- runs a lot better now. The problem never got completely resolved, but I've learned to drive around it. Who knows, perhaps I've uncovered all the bugs in my BMW and I'll be fine. Perhaps not. Roll the dice. Still, driving a Toyota is not the answer.<p>And there is nothing Ford about the R. I'm sure you knew that.<p>I wish all I had were squeaky brakes- then I'd have an excuse to upgrade to Evolve performance brakes!<br>BTW- some BMW's suffer from this too and I heard there is something you spray on your pads or rotors to minimize the squeaking. <p>06 S60R GT<br>03 325ci<br>
 

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Man, I got all of you beat. I have to go to the dealer 25 times every month!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>*da da dum*<p>
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (KillerB)

KillerB-<p>I'm looking for a good indy shop in LA that does more than just Evolve upgrades.<br>Do you receommend Zen? If so, where is Zen? <p>Thanks!<p>06 S60R GT
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude, F** the FORD. nothing good comes out after they took over.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>FYI, the R was entirely conceived and developed prior to Ford's ownership of Volvo.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my mechanics simply gave up and wouldn't fix my car (brake squealing), and guess what? they even charge for loaner too.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Every retailer is independently owned . . . no dealership is actually owned by VCNA. So logic would therefore dictate that the piss-poor attitude of your mechanics is not a reflection of Volvo, but rather that particular facility where they work. <p>So the saying "Where you buy is just as important as what you buy," really is applicable. As others have suggested, perhaps you should consider visiting another retailer.<p>Will doing so be inconvenient to you? Of course. But then again, dealing with the hassles of vehicle ownership is always inconvenient. How often do you sit around on a Saturday and say to yourself, "Man, I really wish my car needed it's 15K service now so that I can drive to the dealer to have it done!"? <p>Ultimately I think your problems are a result of using a retailer where exceptional service is not one of their forte's.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (R Salesman)

Go to Rusnak. A shop foreman will ride with you and if you can duplicate the problem they'll fix it. My brake squeal seems to have gone away. They gave me new brake pads under warranty too.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (stevectsai)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>stevectsai</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sh**************tt...! <p><br>I dont' mind getting a Yaris or Camry or Accord or Civic.<p>damn it I usually don't vent about my R.... but this is wayyyyyy too much for me to handle.. I'm going nuts, I want to kill someone, and I want to sell my R. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>and don't say I'm crazy, because I'm not. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Dude, F** the FORD. nothing good comes out after they took over. my mechanics simply gave up and wouldn't fix my car (brake squealing), and guess what? they even charge for loaner too.<p>see you folks on Echo/Civic/Accent forum.</TD></TR></TABLE>quit your sniveling I pm'd you and asked if you wanted to go to my tech. you declined the offer, so i'll put it out there for you again. PM me if you want your "R" handled by one of the best. If they can't clear up your "R" issues then it's time to go another direction. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> I think i'm going to go another direction just because I haven't lost my "need for speed". although my "R" is pretty quick for a 4dr lux sedan it's not fast enough for track days(road course and drag strip). I have my Sti but I want something that combines those 2 and my 500hp Mustang. Back to the topic contact me and let's see what happens. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (PhilUp)

i only have gone to the dealer 2 times one for the bushings for the brakes and one for my last 15000k tune up
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (StaggRLee)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StaggRLee</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>if you think you're going to get a Lemon Law deal out of squealing Brembos... Think again. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I dunno, I got a mitsubishi lemoned because the interier smelled funny. 4 documented times, and an email to an internet lemon law firm. Nothing out of my pocket!<p>Never know...<p>Tim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (stevectsai)

<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Volvo..i hope u have eyes wide open!!!!!!!<p>R passed 3 years and just listen to all the troubles lately!!!!!!<p>Hope you dude's wake up again in Sweden <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>At least I moved some ground as they will look at my car this monday instead of the "could take 2weeks before we have time" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> (but the R is traded in already on paper <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> they don't know yet, they will know when the Ferrari/lexus-dealer picks it up after fix <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (stevectsai)

Hey Stevectsai<p>I didn't think of it last night, but I'm going over to Brembos North American Headquarters next month. So far I'm taking Cloaked with me, but I can get you on my guest list too if your intrested. They might be a better person to plug away at this problem. IM me and I can give you the info. It's on the 16th, which is on a Saturday.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (KillerB)

Steve, you don't need to get a new Toyota, get one with about 200-300K miles, they are pretty cheap and <B>STILL</B> for the most part trouble free<p>Then you can leave the R at the dealers, that way you're sure to keep low miles on it. (That's a nice plus isn't it? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> )<p>Seriously, it's a Euro thing, BMW, Volvo, Audi, VW, and oh my god Citroen's and Alfa's!! <p> Wheeew!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>The last two make Volvo look like Lexus.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (cloaked)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>cloaked</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">quit your sniveling I pm'd you and asked if you wanted to go to my tech. you declined the offer, so i'll put it out there for you again. PM me if you want your "R" handled by one of the best. If they can't clear up your "R" issues then it's time to go another direction. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> I think i'm going to go another direction just because I haven't lost my "need for speed". although my "R" is pretty quick for a 4dr lux sedan it's not fast enough for track days(road course and drag strip). I have my Sti but I want something that combines those 2 and my 500hp Mustang. Back to the topic contact me and let's see what happens. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dude, I would take any offers.. just send it over. <p>ps: I might have missed your past posts. let me know who's your service advisor. thanks.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (StaggRLee)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StaggRLee</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If you're even considering a $15k Yaris - and your main complaint about the R is brake squealing - my suspicion is that your dissatisfaction has more to do with gas prices and payments/insurance than with the car itself. <p>Whatever the reason, if you're unhappy, get out of the car and into something else, but if you think you're going to get a Lemon Law deal out of squealing Brembos... Think again. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Dude you missed my point, gas price I can control, hell.. just put me in a bus. But things break down on normal driving is not what I expect. Actually brake squeal is probably the bottom of my list of issues. The reason I'm ticked is because I've had enough, and this brake issue and weeping of angle gear is about all I can handle.
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (JARMO)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JARMO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> :when the Ferrari/lexus-dealer picks it up after fix </TD></TR></TABLE><p>So they have a S60R for sale in Wijnegem? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: going to the dealerships 7 times in 1 year is crazy. (BenES)

nope...to my knowledge they sold it already for export.
 
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