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State taxes suck on fuel prices. But even if states eliminated the tax, gas stations wouldn't lower their prices to compensate. Always SOME reason why we're playing highly inflated fuel costs.

The day green energy adequately replaces ICE vehicles to the tune of distance and charging times, will be a momentous occasion for all.
Getting on the soapbox... (And somewhat off topic for this thread).

That day will come when we finally stop giving people the expectation of cheap gas. You will not get an argument from me if the gas prices continue to go up commensurate to what others are paying overseas. The day of cheap gas and 'Murica attitudes on what's acceptable for gas mileage needs to change. The same folks that decry high taxes and government regulation on CAFE standards are the same ones that cry about their financial affairs when gas prices "unexpectedly" go up again putting their wallets in a pinch. It needs to stop.

And yes, this is coming from the mouth of a car enthusiast who loves power.

OK, off the soapbox.
 

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No need to repeat. America is Tip Culture Crazy. Most gas stations here are self service now, but there use to be a larger chain that had attendants to pump gas for you. Tip "Expected".

Maybe not being optional eliminates the "social pressure" for tipping in New Jersey. But I would bet dollars to donuts out of town people probably tip.

I've been to New Jersey, but not in a long time, so maybe I'm off base here.
I was born & raised in NJ. & Yes - you are WAY OFF BASE. Your just making this stuff up. :censored:
 

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State taxes suck on fuel prices. But even if states eliminated the tax, gas stations wouldn't lower their prices to compensate. Always SOME reason why we're playing highly inflated fuel costs.

The day green energy adequately replaces ICE vehicles to the tune of distance and charging times, will be a momentous occasion for all.
It will just be replaced by higher registration costs, like some states have done for BEV's.

Just because you're not paying gas taxes doesn't mean you're not going to be paying a tax through some other means, like higher taxes on electricity maybe. It's not like gas taxes instantly disappear because you're driving an electric car - it's just taxed differently.
 

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Don't get me wrong, Europe pays about seven or eight dollars a gallon, but that's mostly due to taxes.

For the sake of the environment, enriching the Middle East, Etc it'll be a wonderful day when things are run off alternate fuel sources.

I would imagine that'll still probably be 10 or 15 years away before electric vehicles meet the expectation and performance of our ice cars.
 

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I was born & raised in NJ. & Yes - you are WAY OFF BASE. Your just making this stuff up. :censored:
Then I humbly apologize and retract my statement in true editorial fashion...With a tiny footnote.;)
 

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Oh man this opens a can of worms ha. I've never really thought about it though...I wonder what keeps it that way, perhaps political inertia. I'm having a hard time coming up with an economic reason that station owners would have to perpetuate this, none of the arguments hold water. Competition for prices is much the same full serve or self, as all station owners have the labor cost of the attendants. The pressure is still there to minimize cost and price competitively. There is no perceived value increase of full serve as it's required by law. What business owner would not want to get employees off the payroll and deal with less human issues like hiring/firing, unreliable employees, covering sick days etc. I wouldn't think the attendants are powerful enough politically to keep these jobs in place. Oh well who knows.

I really just wanted to say, I can understand. There is no way the pump attendant is concerned with a few drops of gas here or there on a car and the pump nozzles are going to drip, NBD to them it just evaporates. Really not a big deal. To me it is of course, I pump my own gas, don't push the grade select button until I put the nozzle in to avoid the splash when the pump is enabled. And I tap it off inside the filler tube to avoid the drips on removal. Gas won't harm paitn that I know of, but I usually keep my cars clean and recently waxed or now ceramic coating and gasoline is probably a solvent for any protective coating you put on the car.
 

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I keep a mental note of which NJ gas stations have the better attendants. I commute to work in PA from NJ, across the Philly area. Costco is my go-to if it's near enough. I will actually drive up to 10 miles out of the way to fill up at a Costco. In NJ all clubs like BJ's, Sam's, and Costco are required by law to sell gas to the public, membership or no membership. The attendants at Costco, Sam's, and most Wawas, in my experience have been fine (and Sunocos on the NJ-TPK). It's the tiny, independent and second-tier brands with little name recognition scattered inside the little NJ boroughs that I stay away from. You would want to buy from the big chains that can afford clean, recently installed equipment as well (underground tanks, working card readers, reciept printers, etc.).

Also, I have learned not to get out of the car when filling up (stretch, chat, inspect the car) because on two occassions several attendants came over, as if they felt threatened by me the customer leaving their vehicle.

Costco, hands down. Focused and consistently awake attendants, waving cars over to shorter lines, snappy, efficient, willing to chat if there aren't cars backed up. The fact that Costco gas is Top Tier certified is a bonus.
 

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You pay less in NJ than you do in PA for gas due to our higher taxes... but I still fill up in PA because I find having someone else fill my gas to be a major inconvenience. I'm too impatient to wait for them. I'm curious to the history of the law. I don't see the market gain to be had by having an employee. A good business person would want to unload them and sell the gas for less than the competition to make it up in volume. Most places that sell gas make more on what you get when you're inside... and frankly, if you have someone else pumping your gas then you're far less likely to go inside and buy the real profitable snacks. Not saying it isn't so, but it doesn't make sense for a capitalist perspective at all.
 

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A good business person would want to unload them and sell the gas for less than the competition to make it up in volume.
Again, as stated above, your point above is exactly why the law was implemented in the first place.

Excerpt from: https://www.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine/2008/05/want_cheaper_gas_pump_it_yours.html

It was Irving Reingold who created the crisis that led to the law banning self-serve gasoline. Reingold, a workaholic who took time out only to fly his collection of World War II fighter planes, started the crisis by doing something gas station owners hated: He lowered prices. Fifty-one years ago, gas was selling at 21.9 cents a gallon.

Reingold decided to offer the consumer a choice by opening up a 24-pump gas station on Route 17 in Hackensack. He offered gas at 18.9 cents a gallon. The only requirement was that drivers pump it themselves. They didn't mind. They lined up for blocks.

The other gas station operators didn't like the competition. Someone tried shooting up Reingold's station. But he installed bulletproof glass, so the retailers looked for a softer target - the Statehouse. The Gasoline Retailers Association prevailed upon its pals in the Legislature to push through a bill banning self-serve gas. The pretext was safety, but the Hackensack fire chief had already told all who would listen that Reingold's operation was perfectly safe.

The bill sailed through in record time, despite the objections of everyone who cared about the public interest.
My point again is that capitalism is just as much about making money as it is to ensure everyone else is losing money like you are. Sure, it makes sense to charge less by not having full service, but when it's already in law, no one is making any more money than anyone else, so the market forces are not going to bend or sway to change the status quo.
 

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if you have someone else pumping your gas then you're far less likely to go inside and buy the real profitable snacks
I find that to be not true at all around here. I'm honestly surprised how many people go to the gas station to NOT get gas. That is definitely something I've seen as a Mid-Atlantic and Tri-state phenomenon. I've lived coast to coast, north to south in the US, and had never seen the power and pull that Wawa, Royal Farms, Sheetz and the NJ rest stops have on people anywhere else in the country.

I'll tell what it does do that is nice: it keeps people from hovering over a pump while going inside to grab a coke. Consequentially, the parking lot situations are more conducive to promote parking to go into the convenience stores in NJ more so than other states.
 

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sorry...i guess i didn't fully explain my take on calling it capitalism ....You can't pump your own gas in N.J.. That's the totalitarian part of it. Since the history of self service hasn't shown any specific, daily massive disasters , it should be optional. The fact that it's mandated, makes it a control issue.
Getting on the soapbox... (And somewhat off topic for this thread).

That day will come when we finally stop giving people the expectation of cheap gas. You will not get an argument from me if the gas prices continue to go up commensurate to what others are paying overseas. The day of cheap gas and 'Murica attitudes on what's acceptable for gas mileage needs to change. The same folks that decry high taxes and government regulation on CAFE standards are the same ones that cry about their financial affairs when gas prices "unexpectedly" go up again putting their wallets in a pinch. It needs to stop.

And yes, this is coming from the mouth of a car enthusiast who loves power.

OK, off the soapbox.
yeah....no sense in discussing anything with you with your "murica" comment. Right?
You make a lot of insulting statements (wrong of course ) from your soapbox.
What people pay overseas for their gas is on them. Not us. And we "Americans" ( which doesn't include the current elected socialist) HAD the lowest cost because we "Americans" produced the technology and man power in conjunction with less needed regulations to make that happen.
 

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Yet you have no real retort to my statement I find mildly amusing you consider insulting. Who are the ones that argue the most about gas prices when the prices rise?

This American can call it as he sees it. Even it if rattles someone else's sensibilities or perception of truth.

(and I'm not even sure why you even care, I wasn't quoting you regardless 🤷‍♂️).
 

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I tipped when I first moved here. The attendant laughed and wouldn't keep it. He said it's common for out of staters to tip. Good people turn it down, some will take it. You could say the same thing about people that help old people load groceries. There is no expectation, but it will still happen. That doesn't mean its common.

As for gas stations, I'll second Costco. NJ law prevents any membership from limiting gas. So you don't need to be a Costco member. They're one of the cheapest to start with, but you also get Top Tier Gas. They're fast and I have never had an issue with spilling on my car. I have had an issue spilling gas all over a 5gal can, but that was because it didn't auto shutoff and the attendant wasn't looking. Some stations will make you pump your own into cans, I prefer those places for that reason.
 

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Even though down here in Florida, I always pump my own gas, sometimes I still have a problem with gas dripping as I remove the nozzle. I try to shake it out in the gas tank, but this morning apparently there was still a little left in there and I dripped on the paint. Any suggestions for me? I hate to have gasoline on my pretty bursting blue!


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Even though down here in Florida, I always pump my own gas, sometimes I still have a problem with gas dripping as I remove the nozzle. I try to shake it out in the gas tank, but this morning apparently there was still a little left in there and I dripped on the paint. Any suggestions for me? I hate to have gasoline on my pretty bursting blue!


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FWIW when I fill up, after pumping gas I wait a few seconds to account for dripping before removing nozzle from filler neck. As I remove nozzle from the filler neck I turn the nozzle upward so any gas left at the nozzle runs back down into the nozzle.
 

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Good ideas, Dodd. Thank you so much!

After the gas shuts off, do you leave it at that, or do you squeeze the handle and add another half gallon or so?


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Good ideas, Dodd. Thank you so much!

After the gas shuts off, do you leave it at that, or do you squeeze the handle and add another half gallon or so?


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You're welcome. I usually leave it at that. I try not to overfill.
 

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Interesting reading this thread, from a North European perspective. According to the latest stats 57 % of all gas stations here in Finland are so-called "cold stations" meaning that there is zero personnel there, and for the rest, I doubt any do provide a fuelling service.
 

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I’m always worried about gas shortages down here. After every storm it seems as though half the stations are out of gas for weeks, so I’m in the habit of overfilling. Maybe that’s not good for the car. I don’t know.


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