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I know the difference between STC and DSTC but am still undecidded whether or not I should get it. I am getting the 2.4L S40 where DSTC is an expensive option ($2150). The salesman says we don't need it (ie that STC is enough) and that they have never got it in the 2.4 (its standard on the T5).<p>Obviously we never get ice or snow in Australia and our (rigorously enforced) speed limit is 110 km/h). My wife and I are both conservative drivers. Does anyone have any opinions about the desirability of DSTC - has anyone had it activate in non-snowy/non-icy conditions at reasonable speeds?
 

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Re: Getting a S40 2.4 in Australia- should I get DSTC (pbone)

A conservative driver in a non-snowy area wouldn't need DSTC, in my opinion. Especially at that price!!! $1663 USD is outrageous.<p>Save your money and enjoy the car.<p>Tom.
 

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Re: Getting a S40 2.4 in Australia- should I get DSTC (tmtalpey)

STC should be fine for australia.. unless you travel up to blue mountains a lot for skiing!<p>but having said that.. i have had it work on me, and im from a tropical country..<p>once in the rain when i was taking a moderate bend at what i thought would be an alright speed and a couple of other times when i was deliberately pushing the car.<br>
 

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Re: Getting a S40 2.4 in Australia- should I get DSTC (Mistral)

If it's in your budget, I would most definitely get DSTC as it has been shown to greatly reduce your chance of a fatal single vehicle accident (a study was published by the IIHS a while back). It's a shame that such an effective safety system costs so much.
 

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IMO DSTC is a waste of money. If you're driving crazy enough in a FWD-biased car that you're going to spin you need to take some high-performance driving courses and attend some autocross. <p>Invest the $2k in the loose nut behind the wheel, not some technology solution. <p>YMMV.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO DSTC is a waste of money. If you're driving crazy enough in a FWD-biased car that you're going to spin you need to take some high-performance driving courses and attend some autocross. <p>Invest the $2k in the loose nut behind the wheel, not some technology solution. <p>YMMV.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>well, by your reasoning, if we can just depend on the "driver", why use any tech at all? lets take out EBD, ABS, EBA... heck, we dont really even need basic traction control because no one should be stupid enough to spin their FWD car..<p>accidents happen, for any reason, and not just because someone intentionally wants to spin their car or drive dangerously.<p>preventive safety mechanisms like this, merely form a last line of defence and a get out of jail cards for those rare, unforeseen circumstances.<p>personally, if i had the choice I would rather spend money on all the safety options a car has , than alloys leather etc. <p>thats why i drive a volvo.<p>$2k isnt a small sum of money. and in this case, there already is STC, so the argument for having it is perhaps, less compelling. <p>but that doesnt mean that it shouldnt merit proper consideration.<p><br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mistral</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, by your reasoning, if we can just depend on the "driver", why use any tech at all? lets take out EBD, ABS, EBA... heck, we dont really even need basic traction control because no one should be stupid enough to spin their FWD car..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Like I said -- your mileage may vary. I always recommend driver training rather than car mods. Then you can be safe in ANY car. If you take some driver's education courses you will learn how to handle your car, and autox will help train you in the proper techniques. <p>The FWD-based platform is inherently stable -- you really have to get the car out of shape to crash it. <p>When trained properly EBD and EBA aren't necessary -- ABS can be a lifesaver though. <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by quick at 1:18 AM 5-10-2006</i>
 

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Re: Getting a S40 2.4 in Australia- should I get DSTC (Geniusjustin)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Geniusjustin</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it has been shown to greatly reduce your chance of a fatal single vehicle accident (a study was published by the IIHS a while back). It's a shame that such an effective safety system costs so much.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>sensible driving will reduce fatal accidents for free
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like I said -- your mileage may vary. I always recommend driver training rather than car mods. Then you can be safe in ANY car. If you take some driver's education courses you will learn how to handle your car, and autox will help train you in the proper techniques. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>However, technology can pick up where driver training leaves off -- or perhaps better put, technology becomes an extension of the driver. If you hit a patch of black ice, say, and none of your wheels have traction and you start to spin, you as the driver cannot selectively apply the brakes to each wheel to try to remedy the situation as DSTC can. Your responsibility as the trained driver in that situation is to keep steering the car along the path you intend it to follow. DSTC's responsibility is to get the car to follow that path, giving you much more control than you would have on your own. Technology like this isn't a gimmick. There certainly are situations where good driving skills are enough to get you out of (or to avoid) trouble, but implying that safety systems like DSTC would be irrelevant if everyone were better drivers is an overstatement.
 

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Re: Getting a S40 2.4 in Australia- should I get DSTC (bpwrightwv)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bpwrightwv</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>sensible driving will reduce fatal accidents for free</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>Which means combining sensible driving with DSTC provides the most reduction in fatal accidents.
 

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mullmann -- Sure. However my assertion is that for the price you are better prepared to handle dangerous conditions by training yourself. I am making no statements about the merits of the DSTC -- it's a neat feature. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>On the topic of your example -- How often do you see black ice in Texas? <p>There are some edge cases you can come up with where it helps safety. Of course if you suspect there is black ice you should be driving very slow and safe. If you're driving normally in conditions where black ice is possible then you're making a HUGE mistake. <p>The end result of this is that folks should choose what is right for them. I'm providing some inputs based on my experience and opinion, but ultimately it is 100% a choice of each individual and I cannot and won't tell people what they should do. This is all IMO. <p>On an unrelated note -- could I get a copy of the manual from you, please? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><br>-Chris<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by quick at 9:39 AM 5-10-2006</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>quick</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mullmann -- Sure. However my assertion is that for the price you are better prepared to handle dangerous conditions by training yourself. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, for the price, we should have all gotten Honda Accords, which have 40 more horses. But we don't base every decision on money. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the topic of your example -- How often do you see black ice in Texas? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Irrelevant. My car is not always in Texas! <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are some edge cases you can come up with where it helps safety. Of course if you suspect there is black ice you should be driving very slow and safe. If you're driving normally in conditions where black ice is possible then you're making a HUGE mistake. <p>The end result of this is that folks should choose what is right for them. I'm providing some inputs based on my experience and opinion, but ultimately it is 100% a choice of each individual and I cannot and won't tell people what they should do. This is all IMO. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wouldn't, and I don't think anyone else would, debate you on this. There isn't any subsitute for conditions-appropriate driving. All the safety systems in the world won't bail you out if you are determined to be terminally stupid. That said, my view is that many of those systems offer an extra degree of capability that you as the driver cannot enact on your own. Whether one elects to feel a bit more capable or a bit more stupid as a result is a personal choice.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On an unrelated note -- could I get a copy of the manual from you, please? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I suspect I am being punked, but I'll bite. <A HREF="http://apps.volvocars.us/ownersdocs/2006/2006_S40/06s40_00.htm" TARGET="_blank">Here's the '06 manual.</A><br>
 

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No punking going on here -- saw you had it hosted a while ago and I wanted a copy of the service and repair manual. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Volvo_girl</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Skip it. common sense saves lives , lack of it still won't help regardless of technogy. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Absolutely. These safety features can help but do have their limits, and can lead to driver over-confidence. We zll know people who think ABS, AWD, STC, etc. are an excuse for poor driving habbits.<p>
 

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Full disclosure: I had a couple instances on track today where the DSTC was a nice safety net: <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59302" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=59302</A><p>Just wanted to make sure that as I drive the car more and harder that I provided all of my thoughts so that folks could make the right decision. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><br>-Chris
 

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DSTC has saved my bacon twice this year, both instances where the unforeseen was genuinely that(flood water in unusual location and ice under some tree shade on an otherwise sunny day) before you know it the car has sorted the situation out and you carry on in the way that you usually do.
 
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