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This is my introductory post on Swedespeed. I spend too much of my time over at Audiworld. I currently own a 2000 Audi TT. My family is growing this year and I am looking at the luxury sport sedan class.<P>I really don't like BMW's. Benz's are too daggone expensive. The Jaguar X400 is a brand new model, so I am not touching it. So I really have it narrowed down to an 2001.5 Audi A4 and a Volvo S60 T5.<P>I am looking for a car I can carry my child around in comfortably and place them in and out of the baby seat relatively easily. BUT <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"> this car also needs to be able to handle track time once or twice a year. <P>I was interested in the S60 T5 based on the Revolvolution web site, but the pricing turned me off. The car, as I wanted it, was almost 40K. That's a no brainer, I'd spend less and get an Audi S4 (hope that's not blasphemous). THEN I saw one at dinner Thursday night. With the 10 spoke wheels. WOW. This car is really gorgeous. And nobody is going to mistake the rear end for an Accord. (I often get the A4 and Accord mixed up at meduim distance and I hate that.)<P>Now, to my questions. Are there T5's on the lot? Or is it a car you have to order? If so, how long does it take? And do I have to pay MSRP or (EGAD!) over if I order one?<P>Any tips on packages that are worth it and those that are not. I am happy with my GArmin eMap so the $2500 NAV system is out. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>Finally, on the off chance that anyone is in Jacksonviile Florida, can you help me deal with O'steen Volvo? I went to look at a C70 convertible 2 years ago and was treated like I was buying a Kia. They are the only dealer in town. <P>Thank you all for bearing with my long post. And I really appreciate your feedback.<P>
 

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Turbo:<P>Unfortunately I have not been able to sit inside the newly designed A4 but it was also an option for me before I made my purchase (see signature).<P>Unless they have dramatically increased the inside of the A4, your purpose to haul children around will be mute. When I drove the 2001 A4, the front seat was actually butted up against the back seat (read: no room in the back). The doors on the A4 also did not open as wide as the Volvo's which will be critical when loading/unloading a child or his/her seat. All of the reviews and tests I have seen on the new A4, C320, IS300 the Volvo still outruns them which, to me, is a quality I will use more than extreme "race track" cornering grip...although it has some of that too. Finally, I needed front wheel drive (all wheel would be nice too) since ilive in Wyoming... a particularly snowy region from October to April. <P>As far as pricing with options, that is really a subjective issue. Do you need heated seats in Florida...if not, do not get the Cold Weather Package. Do you want the best stereo with 4-cd's in the dash, 13 speakers and dolby pro logic...or will a single CD and 8(?) speakers do. If you like your Emap, then not getting the $2,500 RTI option will definitely save you money...besides, a $10.00 Rand McNally goes a long way. The touring package is a value to me since you get items like laminated glass and the air quality system. <P>If you look at my signature below...I paid right at $35,500 for my car....right in line with the A4 and about $5,000 less than any S4 that I priced. The Revolution site lists my car with destination at about $38,000. Another good source for pricing and reviews is Edmunds.com. <P>I also priced insurance on the BMW 330i, Audi A4, Audi S4, Mercedes C320, Lexus IS300 and Volvo S60 T5 and the Volvo came in the cheapest by about $175/6 mos (I currently have USAA as insurer). The Volvo has the best gas mileage too, which is an issue with today's gas prices and bleak future.<P>As far as availability....again, it depends on the area. I bought my car in Colorado and the dealer had about 8 on his lot in different trims, package levels, and colors. Unfortunately, I am picky about my new cars and I went ahead and ordered one. The reasons for this is two-fold...first, they didn't have exactly what I wanted (I wanted DSTC since I live in a snowy area) and second, all of the T5's already had 500-800 miles on them for test drive purposes. I just like to be the first and only one in my new vehicles since you don't know how rough those test drivers were with the cars.<P>If you do order....expect about 2 1/2 months for delivery from what I have read here, on Volvospy.com, and my personal experience.<P>I hope some of this helps...good luck. The good news is no matter what you pick (from S60 to S4) you know you'll be treated to the very best in safety and driving excitement. <P><P>
 

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I won't get into the details other then to say that over the past 3 years I have owned 2 A4's and just sold my S4 to get into the S60. Prior to that it was a long 16 car list of German Automobiles with a sprinkling of American SUV's...point being this is my first Volvo and I haven't regretted the decision for an instant.<BR>The styling is drop-dead gorgeous, the performance is on par with the competition the safety factor is unparalleled and at least for me the dealer experience has been outstanding.<P>
 

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I too considered roughly the same list of vehicles which you have referred to. I rounded my list out with an American alternative, the Lincoln LS (V8). With each test drive I came back to the S60. While I strongly believe we each make a car purchase decision based on intangibles as well as comperable facts, for me it was a combination of performance, driver comfort, overall value and fresh looks. I have owned a number of "performance" cars and I wanted a vehicle that contained commendable performance, but did not consider that the single greatest priority. I found that my local dealer was much more responsive when I requested and received a bid from the dealer in a city about an hour away. I was very open with them and did not ask for a bidding war, just equal attention. They were able to trade with another dealer in this region for a car allotted to them already in port that matched exactly my choices. I will have only about a three week wait and am paying just slightly in excess of $35M, or approximately 1.5% over invoice for my T-5. I wish you the best of luck in your decision and with you future car.
 

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IMO the best way to factiliate a new car purchase is to go directly to the fleet-manger or these days "internet sales specialist"<BR>Avoid the front-line sales person at all costs and simply ask either of the two aforemtnioned people the simple question: "what is your mark-up over dealer invoice"<BR>In my neck of the woods (SoCal) the typical mark-up on an American car is $250.00 over and I bought the Volvo for $350.00.<P>Good luck...
 

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Y2K,<P>There are usually T5's on the lot, but they might not have exactly the options that you want. How many cars there are, also depends on the size of the dealer you are working with. You should not have to pay MSRP if you order a new car. It seems to me like most people are getting their cars for around $400-$600 over invoice.<P>Since you do not need the GPS Nav system, that will save you a lot of money. If you can wait and do the TDS oversea's delivery program, you will save a 'ton' of money on a loaded T5 without the GPS Nav system. I think with the TDS program, you should be able to get a loaded T5 for around $37k.<P>BTW, for handling children/babyseat, I do not think that there is anything in this class that will beat the S60.<P>-Drew
 

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Thank you all for your well thought out responses.<P>Sorry I have not responded sooner, but I had my TT at the track Monday and Tuesday. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>$250 over dealer invoice seems cheap. Ist that because there is a larger dealer holdback on Volvos than on Audi's? Audi has a 2% holdback.<P>What is TDS overseas delivery and how does this save me money? Is this like Mercedes-Benz's thing where you pick up the car in Germany and vacation a little then they ship it to the US, except I'd be going to Sweden?<P>Insurance is a factor that I had not considered. Thanks for that. <P>Today I am off to VWVortex to talk about the new Passat. I saw one today and it resembles the new (not out yet) A4 more than anything in the VW line or the old A4! What is VAG thinking? <P>Thanks again. <P>
 

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I don't have a T 5 but I've got a 2.4T and two car seats in the back. It's a perfect car for kid seats and performance. As far as the track goes, drop it a bit and add anti sway bars and you'll flip.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Y2kTTurbo:<BR><B><BR>What is TDS overseas delivery and how does this save me money? Is this like Mercedes-Benz's thing where you pick up the car in Germany and vacation a little then they ship it to the US, except I'd be going to Sweden?<BR></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>TDS is Volvo's European delivery option. It is called Tourist and Diplomat Sales. It is considered to be one of the best in the industry. Volvo will fly you to Sweden for free and pay for a one night hotel stay as well. You can tour the factory and drive your new car in Sweden and throughout Europe. The great thing about TDS is that you can configure a new car exactly the way you want it, without having to deal with US spec option packages. With TDS, Volvo says you can save around $4,000 on a new car purchase. After you are done driving the car in Europe, just drop it of at one of many port cities and it will be shipped to the US.<P>-Drew<BR>
 

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Hey NikeSA---<BR>Could that city about an hour away have been<BR>Austin? That's where I bought mine. I didn't<BR>get the deal you did. RB wasn't in the mood <BR>to budge much--especially last Dec when T5's<BR>were just coming in. I saw a silver/graphite<BR>with every option (except cold weather) that<BR>I just had to have. I worked them for $1000<BR>off. That was then---I could probably better<BR>tommorrow. Still---I'm happy with no regrets.<BR>Are they selling well in SA? Go SPURS !
 

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If you do not mine the drive. Bought my C70 ans S60t from Volvo in Daytona. give them a try, family owned, no pressure, good prices. I have never dealt with a better dealer. THey tell you what they can do and that's it, no middle man.<BR>Good luck<BR>Tom in Daytona
 
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