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Hey guys my name is Evan and i found this site by accident but im glad i did. I have been seriously considering purchasing a R and have spent the last 4 weeks doing alot of reading and surfing the net getting familiar with this car. I currently drive a slightly modded 99 Honda Prelude ( not riced out) but ready to step it up and move on to the AWD world. I live in Sacramento Ca and i need a car that can get me up to toahe for the ski season. My 4x4 pathfinder sucks on gas so i have narrowed my next purchase down to the STI and the R but i still am going over the pro's and cons of both. Both are great cars but i really want to get away from the boy racer look, up here in Sac the cops are ruthless on imports and it doesnt pay to even go to the grocery store. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I have already test drove the auto R and liked it but i am looking forward to driving the manual ( sometime this weekend) before i make my purchase. I had a question, what is the BSR kit i have seen you all talk about and are Evolve's parts good and worth the money?<p>Sorry for such a long post but i just want to make an informed decision on my next car rather than buying on impulse like i have done in the past.<br>Thanks and looking forward to getting some great tips from you R owners. <br>BTW any R owners in Nor Cal. I have only seen one here and it was an older lady <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> !<br>Evan
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (Token Blk Guy)

The R will probably get better milage, and certainly has a better stealth factor than the STI. Completely different cars. Insurance will certainly be less with an R, and that adds up if you have decent coverage.<p>The BSR kit (at least i think this is what you are asking about) is an ECU modification. (Basically they reprogram you engine computer.) The BSR kit, lets you change the software yourself without having to send in your ECU to the company, temporarily putting your car out of service. Also, you can change the setting back to factory when you take it into a dealership.<p>I like Evolve parts and I'm considering getting the power package installed. Obviously there are mixed reviews (check the search function). I rode in the blue car a few weeks ago-- there is certainly a noticible boost in power, even on our California 91 octane fuel.<p>One last thing... i've spent a lot of time in the dealership with minor problems (squeaking seat, brake squeal, blown speaker, malfunctioning fuel guage sensor, ect.) That seems pretty common here... it is a partial Ford product afterall. Hope this helps. The R certainily has the best online forums i've dealt with thus far.<p>Great screen name btw.
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (carsonlake)

Thanks i have had this name for some time now, from my old days of honda-tech.com. but thanks for the clarification on the BSR kit. I will look into that more indept, i like the fact you can change it back normal specs for the dealer .I was reading that evolve parts do no void your factory warranty, so ill have to look into that too. <p> Your right the STI and the R are two different cars but i hope the AWD isnt a dog in the snow, because I have seen the subi's up here get throught the snow like it was nothing and i figured the R could do the same with "a little more class" <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> but i want to make sure since i read the AWD system has close to 100% of the power directed to the front untill it notices slippage and then directs power to the rear. <br>I havent checked insurance for the STI but i did look into the R and it increased 102 bucks for every 6 months so that wasnt really a price gouge there since i have one of the best policies with USAA. <p>There are alot of helpfull threads on here and i have learned alot about this car is so little time. A big change from the honda boards i frequent! LOL<p>Evan. <br>
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (Token Blk Guy)

2 different vehicles as mentioned. The R is a sleeper whereas the Subie is "hey wanna race me" car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> I believe the R is 90/10 and when it sense slip it will go to 70/30 (don't quote me on those numbers but along those lines). The STI is 50/50 so the cars will behave differently in the snow. The R is essentially still a FWD and must be treated as such.<br>The biggest gripe I see with R owners (including myself) is their relationship with their dealers. I'm not sure of the "quality" of dealerships in your area so maybe people in your area can chime in on that matter. Having a good relationship with your dealer is essential in owning this car (unless you have an absolute problem free vehicle to start). The R has its quirks and such, just like any other automaker probably, but sometimes the receptiveness of the dealer can make the ownership a real pain in the butt.<br>Whatever you decide to chose, both are fine cars. Obviously I vote for the R. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (Token Blk Guy)

Get dedicated winter tires, and the R is pretty unstoppable in the snow. Just get used to scraping your chin if the road isn't plowed.
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (Token Blk Guy)

Hi Evan,<p>Welcome to SS, glad you found us!<p>You should check with zigger (send him an IM) he just made the switch from an STi to an S60<I>R</I> this year.<p>I've been hooked on Volvo's for the last few years and just love them. <p>Here are some reason I got an <I>R</I>:<br>- rare: When I live you see one R for every 20 M3's and S4's combined<br>- it's a GREAT sleeper, you will surprise many drivers on the road!<br>- excellent seats, you can't beat them, I'll gladly spend longs hours driving my volvos because I love the seats<br>- best mix of style, performance, safety and price<br>- expanding on the above it's not easy to find a sexy looking yet mature car in this price range with: 300hp, AWD and 6sp MT<br>- a couple thousand $'s in mods and you'll do well in a pack or M3's and S4's (drag race for sure but on the track though it will still be tough)<br>- huge support group here at SS, without this forum I'd be in the dark with my R<p>I'm sure you'll read lots here about some of the shortfalls of the R but it really is a great car and I appreciate all that it is in its stock form. The only modification I felt I <I>had</I> to do was change the tires to get rid of the side-hop problem. Any other mods I do are just for fun and really not a necessity ...oops, my wife better not read this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Good luck and do yourself a favour: Say YES to an <I>R</I>!<p>LTA<br>
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (LTA)

I live on the North end of Lake Tahoe and have a V70 R. It's been through 3 winters and you know how the last two have been, tons of snow. I put dunlop wintersports on and have never been stuck or slowed down. Even backing out of parking spaces at the ski area when they plow a big berm behind you. My son lives in Reno and has an S60R and skis every weekend up here. He has the Pirelli all seasons and did fine last winter. <br>The choice between the R and the STI is yours but in my case there would be no choice. oclv
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (Token Blk Guy)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Token Blk Guy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...so i have narrowed my next purchase down to the STI and the R...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Have you not considered the <A HREF="http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/legacy_gt.asp" TARGET="_blank">2007 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT spec.B</A>?<p>There's a comparison with the R in this very forum in <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55908" TARGET="_blank">this thread</A>. Extremelly partial, obviously, so take it with a grain of salt.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oclv</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I live on the North end of Lake Tahoe and have a V70 R. It's been through 3 winters and you know how the last two have been, tons of snow. I put dunlop wintersports on and have never been stuck or slowed down. Even backing out of parking spaces at the ski area when they plow a big berm behind you. My son lives in Reno and has an S60R and skis every weekend up here. He has the Pirelli all seasons and did fine last winter. <br>The choice between the R and the STI is yours but in my case there would be no choice. oclv</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I too go to Mammoth often in the winter and although I have never been seriously dumped on, my M&S rated tires have worked well in the 3-4 inches of snow that was on the ground.<br>My buddy has a Subaru Legacy wagon and we both prefer my car for comfort over his on the 6 hour drives. The R is such a nice car, I am not sure if Subaru offers the same level of elegance, but they are great all wheel drive cars and may be able to take more of a thrashing if that is your thing. I definitely am very anal about my R, even in the snow.<br>Good luck,<br>Jim
 

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I put winter tires on with the 17" pegs for the snow season and have absolutely no problem at all. I have easily manuvered around cars (FWD, RWD and even 4x4s) going up icy roads without any problems.<p>I once took off from a stop light with about 3 inches of snow on the ground. My point was to see how fast I could get up to 60 mph. Since no one was in front of me and they weren't trying to do what I was doing, I ended up buslengths ahead of everyone. When I got to work, a guy on the other side of my cube was talking about some guy in a Volvo that took off so fast on the snow, that he couldn't believe how much traction he got and so quickly. He sounded very impressed with how my car took off.<p>I like STIs and Evos but I also didn't want the racer type image although you can read about people laughing at Volvos and such, while others pour out their compliments.<p>I am replacing my CD player for the second time because of a malfunction with the CD player. Note: I didn't know that the CD players are being replaced with refurbished ones. My other gripe is the turning circle.<p>Good luck with your decision. I love my car and don't think back at all if I should have got something else.<p>Regards,<p>Paul
 

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......to everyone who has posted in this thread....i hate you ALL. your and your incredible "R"s..... grrrrrr <p>s60r<s80
 

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Man you guys are really sellingme on this car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> My biggest concern was the snow. We had some insane snow this year and my pathifinder was unstoppable but the gas killed me. It seems the R has no problems in the snow and that is what i like to hear. I was even looking at snow tires on tire rack, some were pretty exspensive but i think i could justify it. I am wondering now if i should go with the wheel tire combo or just get a spair set of Pegs and mount the tires on them. I really didnt see any rims on Tire Rack that were to my liking.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>LTA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Here are some reason I got an <I>R</I>:<br>- rare: When I live you see one R for every 20 M3's and S4's combined<br>- it's a GREAT sleeper, you will surprise many drivers on the road!<br>- excellent seats, you can't beat them, I'll gladly spend longs hours driving my volvos because I love the seats<br>- best mix of style, performance, safety and price<br>- expanding on the above it's not easy to find a sexy looking yet mature car in this price range with: 300hp, AWD and 6sp MT<br>- a couple thousand $'s in mods and you'll do well in a pack or M3's and S4's (drag race for sure but on the track though it will still be tough)<br>- huge support group here at SS, without this forum I'd be in the dark with my R<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>This hit the nail on the head. I have only seen 2 R's in Nor Cal. And the second one i saw at the Ski resort NorthStar at Tahoe on the last dayof skiing and we had just got like 25 inches of snow that day. The seats inteh R are very supportive and plush, that was the first thing my girl and i noticed when we took it for a test drive. The seats in the prelude suck and the seats in the pathfinder offered no lumbar support, so those 4-6 hrs drives home form skiing really were a PIMA!! Little things like that are turning my decision toward the R.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Razor1973</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Have you not considered the <A HREF="http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/legacy_gt.asp" TARGET="_blank">2007 Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT spec.B</A>?<p>There's a comparison with the R in this very forum in <A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55908" TARGET="_blank">this thread</A>. Extremelly partial, obviously, so take it with a grain of salt.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL i just found this car a few days ago on the web. I like it, and i like the Legacy sedans. I just told myself if i was going to spend 30k on a car it would have to be AWD, 300HP, min and have a good aftermarket support system. The STI, Evo and the R all fall into this, but with the STI and Evo they also fall into the Racer look and i am trying to get out of that lol well i guess i totally cant i am a kid at heart. <p><br>
 

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i hope youre looking at used R's (i cringe when i say it) if you are hoping to spend around $30k
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hope youre looking at used R's (i cringe when i say it) if you are hoping to spend around $30k</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL funny you should say that, i want a new one and i know they are way more than 30k. it was just a baseline for my shopping criteria<p>Maybe i should clarify myself!!
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (Token Blk Guy)

I just put the BSR / PPC to work in my v70r, I love the fact that it uses a softloader so you can switch back and forth between the two programs. I see a small loss in gas mileage maybe one mpg. Two sites to look at are eurosporttuning.com and bsrab.se<p>Graham
 

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Re: Future R owner checking in!!! (GrahamsV70R)

Is there an english version of the BSR websites? <br>I read up on it on the other website, damn is it that noticable after install?<br>How does bsr's device compaire to evolvecars reflash ecu package?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i hope youre looking at used R's (i cringe when i say it) if you are hoping to spend around $30k</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What's wrong with a used R?<p>Nothing wrong with someone else taking a depreciation hit to the tune of 35% to 40% of the car's value for 15,000 or 20,000 miles. As long as it's inspected and certified, you're good to go! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Or do you mean that you cringe that even used R's are 30k?
 

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Damn 35-40% is alot, is that accurate? I looked on edmonds and they said the first year of deprciation in the R would be around 9k? <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Token Blk Guy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn 35-40% is alot, is that accurate? I looked on edmonds and they said the first year of deprciation in the R would be around 9k? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>A used R is only as good as the new incentives available. If you look at depreciation based on sticker price (which few of us paid), it's probably correct.<p>As an example, my R stickered new in 2004 for $42K. I purchased it for $38K and was offered $27K wholesale for it last week. It has 14K miles and the premium, touring, climate, and 18" wheels. So.....27/42 = 64% after two years. However, 27/38 = 71%.
 
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