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I'm sure many of you have already seen this:<p><A HREF="http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060327/FREE/60326002/1041" TARGET="_blank">http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs..../1041</A><p>It seems like this company is a bit lost, IMO.
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (Dashdog)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dashdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm sure many of you have already seen this:<p><A HREF="http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060327/FREE/60326002/1041" TARGET="_blank">http://autoweek.com/apps/pbcs..../1041</A><p>It seems like this company is a bit lost, IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I don't understand why you feel that way, especially from the content of that article.<p>Any further input?<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (GrecianVolvo)

"But four volume sellers for Volvo -- the S60 sedan, V70 and XC70 wagons and XC90 SUV -- must soldier on for two or three more years before their redesigns. In 2005, those vehicles accounted for 66.3 percent of Volvo sales."<p>This part was news for me. I was under the impression the new version of the S60/V70 would be out in ''08. This article hints that may be delayed until '09 or '10. Keeping in mind the article a week ago suggesting that Volvo may eliminate the S60/V70 altogether. oclv<p><br>
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I don't understand why you feel that way, especially from the content of that article.<p>Any further input?<p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The tone of the article suggests to me that Volvo is in a transition of some sort, but doesn't know where it will end up. I think that Ford does not quite know what to do with Volvo, just like GM doesn't know what to do with Saab. It seems that they are trying to take these brands up-market, but don't know how, or even why. Volvo's success was always based on safety and value, not luxury and performance. They should be studying VW to learn how not to screw with success.<br>I also think that almost all but the top few auto manufacturers are facing these problems, i.e. figuring out how to serve a market that changes with increasing rapidity. I don't mean to be so negative, it's just that all of my favorite car companies, VW, Saab, Volvo and BMW seem to be making changes for the worse lately. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (Dashdog)

Don't you just love this happy note for the S40 owners (we R owners know the pain all too well):<p>"Volvo's 36-month residual values have tumbled, according to Automotive Lease Guide, of Santa Barbara, Calif. After rising from 48.1 percent in March 2004 to 50.5 percent last year, Volvo residuals dropped to 46.2 percent this year."
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dashdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>The tone of the article suggests to me that Volvo is in a transition of some sort, but doesn't know where it will end up. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I disagree with your analysis. In fact, one of the quotes: <p><I>"In a year from now, we will be in good spirits. The challenge and struggle for Volvo is to get the value message out, without taking away the brand's prestige." </I><p>pretty much gives a message of "hang on!", we're coming. <p>They are in a transition, yes, but it seems like they have a fairly decent idea of where they're going, but they need to hang on with their aging products (XC70, V70, S60 and, to a point, XC90) until they can get there. Also, they are pretty clear that they are marketing a precarious position - a "neo-luxury" or "discount" luxury type product. Tough to do without falling into the "overpriced for a non-prestige brand" or "underpriced for a luxury brand - must not be good" segments. <p>
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><I>"In a year from now, we will be in good spirits. The challenge and struggle for Volvo is to get the value message out, without taking away the brand's prestige." </I> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yea, but this is coming from the general manager of a car dealer. What else sould he say?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oclv</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"But four volume sellers for Volvo -- the S60 sedan, V70 and XC70 wagons and XC90 SUV -- must soldier on for two or three more years before their redesigns. In 2005, those vehicles accounted for 66.3 percent of Volvo sales."<p>This part was news for me. I was under the impression the new version of the S60/V70 would be out in ''08. This article hints that may be delayed until '09 or '10. Keeping in mind the article a week ago suggesting that Volvo may eliminate the S60/V70 altogether. oclv<p><br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>V70 and XC etc. <B>all new for 2008,</B> coming out in mid 2007 (next year, if you didn't figure that out)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dashdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Yea, but this is coming from the general manager of a car dealer. What else sould he say?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry, my bad. I was reading fast, and thought it was the general manager of the whole PAG.<p>You're right, they would say that. I still think that they have a better direction than you're willing to give them, though.<br>
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (Dashdog)

The tone of the article is somewhat negative but I think there is always uncertainty when existing product offerings are getting a little dated and new models are still a ways off.<p>The Ford/Volvo and GM/Saab situations are really not analogous to me is as I think Volvo has contributed platforms and technology to this marriage. I don't see the same contribution from Saab to GM. Volvo is much more important to Ford than Saab to GM. With the size of GM and its plethora of issues, Saab is really just a rounding error. <p>Regarding the future of Volvo, I do like the new C70, new S80, and C30. Selfishly, I just wish they would develop a minivan! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (Dashdog)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dashdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The tone of the article suggests to me that Volvo is in a transition of some sort, but doesn't know where it will end up. I think that Ford does not quite know what to do with Volvo, just like GM doesn't know what to do with Saab. It seems that they are trying to take these brands up-market, but don't know how, or even why. Volvo's success was always based on safety and value, not luxury and performance. They should be studying VW to learn how not to screw with success.<br>I also think that almost all but the top few auto manufacturers are facing these problems, i.e. figuring out how to serve a market that changes with increasing rapidity. I don't mean to be so negative, it's just that all of my favorite car companies, VW, Saab, Volvo and BMW seem to be making changes for the worse lately. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh, I see. Well, I know for a fact that VCNA themselves are predicting a FLAT sales year but only for the next 13 months. The new products will definitely change that outlook. <p>I do think that Ford/Volvo werecaught unprepared for this stale period where the S80 and S60 (even the V70) were kept in the market (in their existing forms) way too long.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (Wayne T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wayne T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The tone of the article is somewhat negative but I think there is always uncertainty when existing product offerings are getting a little dated and new models are still a ways off.<p>The Ford/Volvo and GM/Saab situations are really not analogous to me is as I think Volvo has contributed platforms and technology to this marriage. I don't see the same contribution from Saab to GM. Volvo is much more important to Ford than Saab to GM. With the size of GM and its plethora of issues, Saab is really just a rounding error. <p>Regarding the future of Volvo, I do like the new C70, new S80, and C30. Selfishly, I just wish they would develop a minivan! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's a good point about GM and Saab. As for the new models, I think they're nice too, but will they be able to sell them?
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (GrecianVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Oh, I see. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wasn't a put-down of any kind, I was just pointing out that the quote wasn't from an unbiased source.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GrecianVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>....I do think that Ford/Volvo were caught unprepared for this stale period where the S80 and S60 (even the V70) were kept in the market (in their existing forms) way too long.<p>Yannis</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What do you mean they were "caught unprepared"? Don't they have a product strategy & rollout schedule?! No way they were unprepared. They simply made choices which may, or may-not, come back to bite them. Simple as that.
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (Short Circuit)

JRL, I was under the same impression as you, new S60 and V70 for 2008, coming out mid 2007. So why do they say, quote, " must solder on for two or three more years". Two more years makes them 2009's (coming out in spring of 2008). Three more years makes them 2010's (coming out in spring of 2009). oclv
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (oclv)

IMO with all the nice new products (S80, C70, C30) coming out, Volvo will remain strong...I am kind of torn as to which new Volvo I want to get next.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kirb</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IMO with all the nice new products (S80, C70, C30) coming out, Volvo will remain strong...I am kind of torn as to which new Volvo I want to get next. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>S80 or XC50 for me most likely.<p>Oh by the way, I just got the title for my car <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">.
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (frankhoffy)

I would get the C70 convertible if they would put the R engine in it. Hopefully that is on the plate for next year or the year after. I haven't read much about the car, but I am assuming it has the I5 engine and not the new I6 engine. oclv
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oclv</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would get the C70 convertible if they would put the R engine in it. Hopefully that is on the plate for next year or the year after. I haven't read much about the car, but I am assuming it has the I5 engine and not the new I6 engine. oclv</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I5 turbo from the S40 T5......and a 42 foot turning radius based on a local newspaper review. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Future of Volvo... (Dashdog)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Dashdog</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I wasn't a put-down of any kind, I was just pointing out that the quote wasn't from an unbiased source.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know! I did not think you were doing that as a "put-down".<p>Yannis
 
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