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Frustrating car (steering problems?)

I bought my 06 SR in April, and it was great. A few weeks later I realized I should probably get the winter tires off it and got a set of Kumho Ecstas. Ever since I had the tires put on the car started pulling to the right. And a month or so later it started vibrating at high speeds (60mph+). Alignments, balancing, and tire rotation have done nothing. Does anyone have any clue what else could be doing this? The next thing to do I guess is check tie rods and bushings and all that fun stuff but if anyone can point me in a specific direction I would appreciate it. I would really like to go to IKEA next month but driving 2 hours and having to fight the steering the whole way is going to make me mad.<p>On top of this my glove box started rattling, and my side bolster is beat to hell from a previous owner who didn't seem to understand leather care. But I still like my R, really. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>(*edit* I have checked the tire pressure and it wasn't a low tire, and it isn't the road angle since I can get it to pull to the right even when the road is sloped left.)<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by oshi at 9:51 AM 8-20-2009</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oshi</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bought my 06 SR in April, and it was great. A few weeks later I realized I should probably get the winter tires off it and got a set of Kumho Ecstas. Ever since I had the tires put on the car started pulling to the right. And a month or so later it started vibrating at high speeds (60mph+). Alignments, balancing, and tire rotation have done nothing. Does anyone have any clue what else could be doing this? The next thing to do I guess is check tie rods and bushings and all that fun stuff but if anyone can point me in a specific direction I would appreciate it. I would really like to go to IKEA next month but driving 2 hours and having to fight the steering the whole way is going to make me mad.<p>On top of this my glove box started rattling, and my side bolster is beat to hell from a previous owner who didn't seem to understand leather care. But I still like my R, really. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>(*edit* I have checked the tire pressure and it wasn't a low tire, and it isn't the road angle since I can get it to pull to the right even when the road is sloped left.)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Can't speak to the front suspension problems - stating the obvious here but if you can't determine what it is you're probably going to have to break down and take it to a shop - dealer or indie. Is it still in warranty?<p>As for the side bolster, it's a known issue and not necessarily due to lack of care. Mine looked extremely worn after on a couple thousand miles and I took mine in to the dealer and complained. VCNA is going to pay to have it re-dyed next time I take it in for service (loaner and all!)<p>
 

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Re: Frustrating car (oshi)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oshi</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I bought my 06 SR in April, and it was great. A few weeks later I realized I should probably get the winter tires off it and got a set of Kumho Ecstas. Ever since I had the tires put on the car started pulling to the right. And a month or so later it started vibrating at high speeds (60mph+). Alignments, balancing, and tire rotation have done nothing. Does anyone have any clue what else could be doing this? The next thing to do I guess is check tie rods and bushings and all that fun stuff <br>On top of this my glove box started rattling, and my side bolster is beat to hell from a previous owner who didn't seem to understand leather care. But I still like my R, really. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p><i>Modified by oshi at 9:51 AM 8-20-2009</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Fun stuff...as it sounds like you've covered the basics. Bent tie rod? But it seems strange that you didn't notice it with the snows...maybe the extra rubber helped hide the symptoms. <p>Glove box - do a search and you will find this to be fairly common/ with a bunch of different fixes. Most remedies involve some sort of foam tape. <p>good luck<p>
 

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Hmph, I never saw another atacama with wear problems. I was avoiding nordkap because I didn't want to deal with it but I guess to some extent it's an issue with all of the leather? Good to know dyeing it is an option somewhere down the road.<p>I'm going to get an appointment with my usual tech and see what he can find, I'm just trying to find a direction to point him in <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> And yeah I'm going after the glove box with some foam tape one of these days, not a huge concern just annoying.
 

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Oshi the Side bolster issue is common problem known by VCNA and with working with your service advisor they will warranty it. My seats were taken care of by the previous owner but still show some wear on that side bolster. I talked to my service advisor and he didt hesitate to say yes we will fix it. He also advised if you are a tall guy (like me) to push the seat all the way back and reclinin the seat a bit when exiting the car and then when you return you can just hit the memory button on the seat to return the seat to your normalsetting. He said this can allievate the /stress/wear on the R seat. He has an R and is taller than me and said this works for him. <p>just food for thought.<p>Evan
 

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Re: Frustrating car (oshi)

check the axels if theres exiceve up & down play then you hae a bad axel<p>did you hit any thing....? maybe the sub fram was lowerd and not propley installed, there is a spesifc way to install subframs. you will get a pull if the pass side is bolted befor the drivers, i think, i get my Lefts and right mixed up.<br>check the rear "Stays" its the rear toe adj cauld be bent. once you stick you head under the rear then you see what im talking bout
 

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If the car did NOT pull and drove fine with the winter tires ON, but started pulling once the new tires were put on, then it seems the tires would be the problem.<p>If you have already tried remounting/balancing, alignment, and none of the rims seem to have been bent, then my guess would be you could have one bad tire. There is so much that goes into making a car ride smoothly and it can be difficult to pinpoint when things go wrong.<p>If you have the ability to use another set of wheels/tires to try and isolate the problem, I would recommend that.
 

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You have one or more bad tires.<p>They can easily pull and cause vibration.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Token Blk Guy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oshi the Side bolster issue is common problem known by VCNA and with working with your service advisor they will warranty it. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is not guaranteed. And it is only for Nordkap, not Gobi or Atacama.
 

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I am about as opposite from a tall guy as possible (being a short girl and all), but I still always manage to bump the bolster when I get out. Maybe I'll set one of my extra presets back a little bit and see if that helps bump it less when I get in and out, thanks for the idea <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I will check on all of your suggestions, thanks. It did seem to coincide with putting new tires on, but I could have hit a pothole or something, the roads here are notoriously awful so that's why I'm looking at other possibilities. We moved the tires around on the car and it had absolutely no effect, so if they're bad it seems like they all are?<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oshi</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...and my side bolster is beat to hell from a previous owner who didn't seem to understand leather care.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMHO, the only things that will save your seat bolsters from wear are seat covers. <p><A HREF="http://www.autoseats.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.autoseats.com</A>/<p>I got 'em on the driver and passenger seats, head rests and the center console storage cover. I'm looking at them for the back seats too.<p>I like 'em and they match the Gobi just fine. Just my .02 <p>
 

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Working at a dealership has its disadvantages, I think they're going to kill me if I complain about this car anymore. It's going in the shop soon, I'll update if they find anything
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oshi</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Working at a dealership has its disadvantages, I think they're going to kill me if I complain about this car anymore. It's going in the shop soon, I'll update if they find anything</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Still say tires. The fact that it began pulling to the right immediately points to a radial belt issue, which inevitably turns into a vibration issue eventually. This is a common manufacturing defect in tires resolved by replacing the offending tire/tires.
 

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This might sound retarded, LOL, but are the tires directional? IF SO, LOL, are they mounted and directed PROPERLY?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>oshi</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmph, I never saw another atacama with wear problems. I was avoiding nordkap because I didn't want to deal with it but I guess to some extent it's an issue with all of the leather? Good to know dyeing it is an option somewhere down the road.<p>I'm going to get an appointment with my usual tech and see what he can find, I'm just trying to find a direction to point him in <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> And yeah I'm going after the glove box with some foam tape one of these days, not a huge concern just annoying.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think the leather wear thing is pretty random. I've got nordkap, 5 years and almost 70k on the clock with really minimal wear. My car regularly ferries around my 4 boys with all the attendant abuse that implies, and while I do use lexol I don't use it anywhere near as often as the cognoscenti on this forum say you must. Go figure. <p>what worked for me on the glovebox rattle was several of those self-adhesive round felt pads--I've had the same ones on for at least a couple years now and it still works
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GiRaff3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This might sound retarded, LOL, but are the tires directional? IF SO, LOL, are they mounted and directed PROPERLY?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>When this first started I had that exact same thought <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Yes they are mounted properly, I checked and I had other people check because I'm all thorough like that. <p>Haven't had a chance to see what's up with it yet, ended up having some drama with a customer's (very gorgeous) 850 wagon that broke down in the middle of nowhere so I never made it back to the office before they closed. oops.
 

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you may also have one or both axles that are out of balance, is there any sign of axle grease in areas it should not be?
 

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Amie,<p>First thing: you have to get over the Atacama wear issue.... it happens. It is a natural product, and naturally, it will wear. That's the deal. You can always put a slipcover over it ... or get those wooden beaded thingies the NY cabbies sit on. Atacama is beautiful, but it won't last. Such is life.<p>I have a similar problem with vibration with my '06 Vr @ 50K miles.<p>I had the wheels balanced and aligned before a long roadtrip, knowing there was something amis. In the middle of the trip I stopped and had the wheels balanced again. No help. Swapped wheels front to back. No help.<p>The symptom is vibration -- not so much a wheel shaking as in unbalanced wheels, but more of an "up and down" whole car shaking, like a bad shock, or bent driveshaft kind of feeling. I feel the vibration under the seat as much as anywhere. It's noticable (to me, my dealer is a clueless bastard) at 40 mph and intolerable at highway cruzing speed.<p>so I went through the whole process of elimination:<p>1. Pulled all four Pegs (wheels and tires) and put on the set of Cronos that I know are perfect ( I only bring them out when the weather is great and I'm "showing off")-- Road Force balanced Rossos directly from TireRack. No change.<p>2. Took (4) factory Pegs up to Wheel Collision and had them straightened (2 were bent) refinished, and Road Force balanced with new set of Rossos. No change.<p>3. Pulled off all four aftermarket rotors and replaced them with factory stock rotors after having them checked for balance, checked ok. No change. <p><br>so now i've had two sets of rotors, and two sets of wheels, and ten tires in total, 4 wheel balances, and two alignments done. All to no effect.<p>I have eliminated: tires, wheels, rotors, balance, alignment.<p>now I'm going to look at the axles and driveshaft... shocks seem OK swaybar endlinks and bushings are new...<p><br>anyone else got weird vibration that they can't diagnose ?<BR><BR>
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>petew</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>so now i've had two sets of rotors, and two sets of wheels, and ten tires in total, 4 wheel balances, and two alignments done. All to no effect.<p>I have eliminated: tires, wheels, rotors, balance, alignment.<p>now I'm going to look at the axles and driveshaft... shocks seem OK swaybar endlinks and bushings are new...<p><br>anyone else got weird vibration that they can't diagnose ?<p><br><i>Modified by petew at 7:34 PM 8-21-2009</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am beginning to think this is 4C rearing some ugliness. I have a constant mild vibration on absolutely skating rink smooth asphalt freeways that persists no matter whether comfort,sport,advanced, is chosen. There was a time when these roads were smooth as glass and now the car is just constantly unsettled. I have 25,000 miles, wheels with only maybe 6,000 miles, and new eagle F1 A/S with about 3,000 mi. My last alignment was at 18,000mi so I have not a single reason to expect anything to cause a shaky ride. I am growing very unhappy and may be looking to lemon law if I cannot improve the situation.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenhoeve</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I am beginning to think this is 4C rearing some ugliness. I have a constant mild vibration on absolutely skating rink smooth asphalt freeways that persists no matter whether comfort,sport,advanced, is chosen. There was a time when these roads were smooth as glass and now the car is just constantly unsettled. I have 25,000 miles, wheels with only maybe 6,000 miles, and new eagle F1 A/S with about 3,000 mi. My last alignment was at 18,000mi so I have not a single reason to expect anything to cause a shaky ride. I am growing very unhappy and may be looking to lemon law if I cannot improve the situation.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>1) It's probably your tires. <p>2) I don't think you qualify for lemon law any longer with those many miles. <p>
 
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