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Okay, so I've been thinking about the different front spoiler options currently available for the R and have wondered if it might be worthwhile having something fabricated.<p>From everything I've read, a c/f piece (especially in small production or as a 1 off) would be very expensive. I think pricing could be reasonable if a number of pieces were made of fiberglass, but I don't know if anyone would be interested in such a part.<p>I don't have a design or anything (too preliminary). At this point, I'd just like to know if anyone might be interested in a reasonably priced fiberglass front spoiler (assuming the design was to your liking and it could be fabricated by a reputable source - also too preliminary). I guess I'm envisioning something that would be attached to the existing front bumper (not in place of it).<p>Any thoughts or insight would be appreciated.<p>-Eric
 

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Eric, the cost is in the manufacture of the mold, not in the difference in material between fiberglass and CF. Once the negative mold is made, the manufacturing process is almost identical, although the CF material cost is slightly higher and it can be slightly more difficult to work with if you do not plan on painting it (ie, having the fiber weave be visible when installed.<p>PUR (or RIM, polyurethane as it is known in the trade) requires big investment dollars, but the piece price after the tool is made is minimnal. It is a chemical process where 2 liquids are combined and react with each other in a mold to form a plastic (hence the name <B>R</B>eaction <B>I</B>njection <B>M</B>olding). I believe this is the process Evolve uses from what I have read. Of course a good processor and a clean plant are paramount as we have all heard that bubbles, when baked, will completely mess up a part. The better, more experienced RIM processors can produce mostly bubble free parts as they are usually responsible for PAINTING (and baking) the parts as well. Bubbles means scrap rates go through the roof if you can only ship a painted part, but don't know how to consistently mold a good one.<p>Lastly there is ABS ... even more costly to tool but much easier to process. Molten plastic is actually injected into a steel tool then cooled with water. ABS would be the material of choice here as Polypropylene can be used for bumpers, but this is the material you often hear about that "can't be painted" due to it's natural lubricity.<p>There are several "rapid prototyping" processes and materials, but these generally do not yeild parts strong enough to withstand day-to-day use.<p>I think the method you propose of having a "sculpted" part made, would be adequate, although I would stick with CF as the word "fiberglass" seems to turn a lot of folks off. You would need to make a positive model (of which you could have a "splash", or negative mold made from) even from something as crude a wood if you had to. Ship it off and get it quoted. I have a good connection in Virginia for CF molds and work ... check out some of the crazee Benz parts he made for a friend of mine on his page:<p><A HREF="http://www.feathercarbon.com/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.feathercarbon.com/</A><p>Another alternative could possibly be to manufacture flat Carbon Fiber splitters (either front, rear, or both) from sheet stock. I think most folks here know by now I love a good home-brewed mod. I made my own for my last car doing exactly that. This could look extremely nice on just about any color car sporting Ti Pegs <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> . You just need to make some cardboard templates (usually several attempts if you are me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> ), get some stainless fasteners and start experimenting with a few different shapes. I might actually consider a 3 piece design for the front of the R.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0UwAAAP0YDCfdkKPIQgmzVqdVCJbuv*!I!HC1l6Ng9JVagoF1NQDbJfMVFVDdPTGXRI2EHMEl!RXsl6pmr8pKy*vgNIEqJcWK3UIjtV1f4YBxtoL4ij8kdK7zntTKX8qg/3qtrfrt1.jpg?dc=4675425515453517993" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0VQAAAOUZV3NkWD9Epb7gx0uwiGR3nzREDamwkuOcLI3z02BybC4b7!P5y3l2wwytvCXVE11rpjrjCjYBili9sKkXKp2B82XIRNP5iEhp!tBCO8sZJDzDgEHasEJ2XIZW/frtemblem1.jpg?dc=4675425516778754013" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0VAAAAFwZMUZEvw3NNv0V!jINjPQwxpgVqg4o*t!FwpeGGsb!8IDgGNYbI3PEICfO19sZGKT!s2hvL6arHLnFUfgA3t6UW*7c5SHksvYD2*yhGlRQT02GASDKkzLPd9Pq/3qtrrear2.jpg?dc=4675425516145141349" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0VQAAAP0ZeXoFcMVNvQMqLmEV8NsJ4LxJMzw9Eh7MIYaiwhBebyno7AScsh5HzdmHIqolC1tSP3yKZfLi4C2T76!HurnG3CRU0KFE6CoZCwWGFy3XaqkVgihP2TCo2vg2/rearsplit1.jpg?dc=4675425517597735876" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0VQAAAP4Zw3oFcMVNvQMqLqpsjPpc8K1OEXYGlwmW6VnNv3XHMZEN23IUlDcOm1JIJNxoOA*NlRW3AoU!vNHP8AWyvLLFwN0T8YRR3z0ZlPJFdN3eqQlOKfK!GjW38HLm/rearsplit2.jpg?dc=4675425517661465237" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Front Spoiler Options for the R... (Sue Esponte)

Make sure you go with a decision that will let you order spares. <p>I would consider myself a fairly careful driver and in 2 years I have gone through at least 5 front spoiler lips (including an additional spoiler lip after a detail guy chewed one up before I got it back from the shop) and then a complete new body kit due solely to road debris thrown up at me from the interstate.<p>If it is any lower than the non-sport kit R, you are going to chip it, catch it on something, lose it altogether, etc.<p>My $0.02.<br>-Ben
 

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Re: Front Spoiler Options for the R... (Sue Esponte)

it will cost huge money. forget it.<p>i've looked into something as simple as a gauge pod and most places want a minimum of $500 just to make ONE. then you have to order multiple units to get them to run them. you'll spend thousands.<p>if you want to do a cosmetic mod to the car, I'd stick with a sport kit or the EVOLVE kit.
 

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Hmmmm....interesting thoughts on the flat carbon fiber. I've found a few companies that offered "standard sized" moulded pieces but never quite they're right size and I'm not in the mood to mod a mod. I'd still prefer something a little more stylized but it could be an interesting option, especially if a true splitter could be fabricated that would span the entire width of the bumper.<p>Sean, the Evolve bumper with the grilles would run about $1K plus paint and installation. It would also require that I get the side skirts and a rear bumper to make it look right. For 1/2 the cost of the painted and installed bumper, I could get a c/f splitter from ipd and not have to buy side skirts and a rear bumper cover to make it look right. Their c/f piece is just a bit too expensive for my taste. I'd rather put that towards an ECU hence the dilemma.<p>-Eric
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it will cost huge money. forget it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not true ... look at the handle above my license plate ... cost me 60 bucks to have made. I had the only one <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> .<p>Really, take a look at the link I provided and Car/Truck products and take a look at the MB stuff. All of that was made from molds for Scott. I am not saying it was cheap, but all of those parts were made as one-offs just for him ... don't make it sound so impossible as you may discourage other members.
 

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Re: Front Spoiler Options for the R... (Quick Brick)

That's very encouraging. If there's enough interest, it would make selling the idea to a fabricator much easier.<p>-Eric<p>P.S. I like those rear winglets on the SLK, too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> Not usually my thing but they're well integrated (key factor for me).
 

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Re: Front Spoiler Options for the R... (Sue Esponte)

If you can do one like this I'd buy it. I plan on getting a custom one made but have halted plans until summer:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.mmsean.com/volvo/photos/concept.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Front Spoiler Options for the R... (slowrey)

Looks great but that's a bit of a different animal...and a lot more expensive than a splitter.<p>-Eric
 

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Wait a minute Eric ... that is a great pic slowery!!! What if you continued the line forward from the top of the side skirts onto the front bumper, making the winglet on the front bumper an add-on piece!!! That would be cheap, simple, and well integrated. I really like it!!!<p>This would solve a LOT of ppls problems in terms of tearing off the front of the sport-kit. What an elegant solution.
 

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How would you integrate it so that it didn't like a complete afterthought? And, is that the stock rear bumper or the Sport Kit bumper? The reason I ask is, I'm wondering if a new rear bumper would be needed in order to make the whole thing work or if the side skirts plus the "bumper extensions" (front and back) would be enough to make the whole thing come together right.<p>-Eric
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Sue Esponte</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How would you integrate it so that it didn't like a complete afterthought? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is why I wrote "carry the line forward from the sideskirts onto the front bumper". This would be the top "edge" of the add-on winglet (in my mind anyway <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> ). The line on the rear bumper and sides would then track seamlessly onto the front bumber as well ... kind of the same way they do to aftermarket kit on the standard S60 ... is that clearer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> ???<p>I am assuming the the rear and sides from the current sport pack ... although if you used the line I am suggesting, it may look good as a stand-alone front bumper mod.<p>If slowrey will allow me, I will mark up his photoshop when I get home ... just don't have time right now here at work <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> .
 

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Re: Front Spoiler Options for the R... (Quick Brick)

I wonder what the rear would look like with some kind of piece like you had on the SLK....not sure if it would fit right on the R but I can't envision the rear right now.<p>-Eric
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>slowrey</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">See I don't like the carbon fiber one. Looks too fast and furious to me!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I agree. Now only if there was a cheap/feasible way to make yours. I'd be in then.
 

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The RED cars bumper is HOT! Slowrey HOOK US UP!!!!! I would love to have that front end on my R. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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