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I am in the market for a new car and like the XC70 concept but was surprised by the "wallowing" in corners compared to sedans I'm used to driving. However, I think the Four C option might be exactly what I'm looking for. <p>Does anyone have any experience with it in an XC70?
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (Chuck in MA)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chuck in MA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am in the market for a new car and like the XC70 concept but was surprised by the "wallowing" in corners compared to sedans I'm used to driving. However, I think the Four C option might be exactly what I'm looking for. <p>Does anyone have any experience with it in an XC70?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I ahve driven a few XC70s (and S80s) with it. Its Sport mode is not very aggressive (therefore, not making the ride very rough) and it does help. Remember, the suspension is set quite a bit higher in the XC70 so you should expect some body roll. Despite the body roll,even under aggressive cornering, the car is not going anywhere. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>4C would help and if you also install 17" wheels, you will be set!<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (GrecianVolvo)

What will also help BIG TIME in an XC is a set of IPD sway bars
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (Chuck in MA)

If you are only getting it for a couple of years no harm in trying out the 4C. If it could potentially be a "keeper" I would stick to a traditional suspension that could be easily improved over stock.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chuck in MA</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Test drove one with Four -C, made a big improvement. Really liked what it did.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>before you decide for sure, I strongly recommend you drive the vehicle over rough or uneven pavement--find a crappy road and try it out. Many of us with the R version of V70 (or the S60R) have serious complaints about how the 4c suspension performs on even mildly irregular surfaces (you could do a search on "side hop" in the R forum and probably find alot of stuff about this). <p>the XC70 4C system has 2 modes while the R has 3, so there must be some differences in how it works, but unless the real experts here (Grecian Volvo, JRL, etc) say otherwise, I would assume the XC version is potentially at risk for the same bad behavior of the R's 4c system. <p>unless you are pretty confident that the XC's 4c system won't do the sidehop, I'd save my money on that and go with IPD antisway bars as others have suggested. <p>good luck <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Yannis would be the one.<br>There are so few 4C XCs and S80s I will never have a chance to drive one.<br>Never have seen an XC with 4C. Until this topic I forgot you could get one with it.<br>XCs sort of "hop" anyway, so it probably won't make that much of a difference
 

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I should have a point of view. I drove an R (manual) and now drive a 2005 xc70 with 4C.<p>To be honest, I can hardly tell the difference between the 2 settings. Going over a rough bumpy road I switch between the two setting and can hardly tell. I certainly could tell the difference when I drove the R.<p>Do I need to go into corners hard to notice the difference?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Do I need to go into corners hard to notice the difference?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Have the dealer check to see if your car needs a download.<br><B>SOME</B> early 4C S80s and XCs were delivered with faulty programming. As you described the owners could not tell any difference, they were right, there wasn't any <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> .
 

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While both cars have the 4C, each car does have its own settings. The R cars have different settings than the XC70, adn teh XC70 has different settings than the XC90. While each has sport/comfort and/or advanced, the actual settings for each one is modified to fit each vehicle individually, so the sport mode in an XC70 will not be the same as it would be in the R. Sports car vs. Utility Wagon.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MenardVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">While both cars have the 4C, each car does have its own settings. The R cars have different settings than the XC70, adn teh XC70 has different settings than the XC90. While each has sport/comfort and/or advanced, the actual settings for each one is modified to fit each vehicle individually, so the sport mode in an XC70 will not be the same as it would be in the R. Sports car vs. Utility Wagon.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>XC70 has only Comfort and Sport settings; it is a 2-mode 4C system. The Rs have Advanced, making it a 3-mode system.<p>Yannis
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (JRL)

JRL<p>The IPD sway bars run $388. I am guessing $300 to install at Volvo and half to 2/3's of that at a non-Volvo shop.<p>Is the improvement that outstanding on the XC70?<p>Your imput will be appreciated.<p>Happy New Year <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Oz <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (Ozzie)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ozzie</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JRL<p>The IPD sway bars run $388. I am guessing $300 to install at Volvo and half to 2/3's of that at a non-Volvo shop.<p>Is the improvement that outstanding on the XC70?<p>Your imput will be appreciated.<p>Happy New Year <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emcocktl.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>Oz <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>JRL never had them on his XC, but I just ordered them from IPD. Install on Friday 13th <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> I had several quotes for install and nobody estimated less then 5 hours (subframe has to be lowered for the front one). So you're looking at well over $300 depending on the hour rate. I found an independent volvo shop that charges "only" $60 an hour. I will upgrade to the Heavy Duty sway bar links at the same ($38 each). Total costs just under $800 installed. It better be good <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>I'll certainly post my findings after the install.<p>Pico <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (Chuck in MA)

Most useless and overpriced option available.<p>Drove a V70 2.5T GT AWD with 4C a while ago and frankly it was horrible..<p>Good aftermarket shocks and springs will be more comfortable while giving a sharper and more stable ride compared to what 4C does.. <p>And it bounces all day long.
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (Johann)

Can someone explain what the two mode 4C does (comfort/sport)? Does it only affect suspension (I still can't tell the difference between "C" and "S") or does it also affect when the automatic transmission shifts? The owner's manual says nothing helpful.<p>Thanks.
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (Johann)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most useless and overpriced option available.<p>Drove a V70 2.5T GT AWD with 4C a while ago and frankly it was horrible..<p>Good aftermarket shocks and springs will be more comfortable while giving a sharper and more stable ride compared to what 4C does.. <p>And it bounces all day long.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>That's all well and good, but NOBODY makes aftermarket shocks for the AWD P2 cars. (especially the XC70).<p>The sway bars limit suspension articulation, which is bad for rough roads.<p>As bad as the 4C was on my V70R, I always thought it would have been ideal on the two different XC 70's that I owned.<p>Unfortunately, I missed the chance to drive an XC70 w/4C (my dealer never orders them with it), so I can't say if it is any good.<p>My Benz has a 4C type suspension and I don't get the rear wheel gremlins that my V70R had.<p>
 

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Re: Four C on an XC70 (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What will also help BIG TIME in an XC is a set of IPD sway bars</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I can now speak from first hand experience as I had mine installed today. WOW! It is really a huge improvement in handling: improved steering response, less body roll in cornering, it really takes care of the "floating feeling" of the XC. <p>If you're looking for some improved handling on your XC, this is an upgrade to consider! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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