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found an s60r for sale...worth it?

2004 with 8500 on the clock for $26500, every option except NAV, black and tan. I have a VW R32 now and love it, but want something with alittle more power, and the S60 is great looking and i just have some general questions. Give me some insight both good and bad on this ride, is it rear wheel biased or front wheel like my car? any known issues? and is it expensive to mod? Think the deal is a good one at that number or is it too much? Oh and I live in NY, i read something about some heat soak issues with the hot weather...is this overstated or is it a real issue? Thanks for your time.
 

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Re: found an s60r for sale...worth it? (hiddentactics)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hiddentactics</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2004 with 8500 on the clock for $26500, every option except NAV, black and tan. I have a VW R32 now and love it, but want something with alittle more power, and the S60 is great looking and i just have some general questions. Give me some insight both good and bad on this ride, is it rear wheel biased or front wheel like my car? any known issues? and is it expensive to mod? Think the deal is a good one at that number or is it too much? Thanks for your time. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Good deal with that low mileage. It's practically a new car!<p>I would try to get a history of the car. Suspicous that the miles are that low. Very.<p>Also keep in mind that since the mileage is slow low that many of the TNN's that take care of the small niggles on the car may not be done so you will experience some teething.<br>
 

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Thats pretty good for such low miles when we got ours it had 14k on it. I would definitly want to see the service records for it before buying it though.
 

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thh S60R will be a lot different than an R32. It's larger, heavier, and a bit more luxurious. If you want a light weight, "tossable" car...you want something smaller and lighter.<p>you CAN make an R pretty fast with not that much in terms of bolt ons. $3000 will get you an ECU/dp/exhaust that will bump power from 300 to a good solid 350. <p>the R is picky though. in temps over 75 it slows down due to the stock intercoolers being too small/inefficient. also, the car REALLY wants 93+ octane. if you live in CA and can only get 91, or some other state where 93 is hard to get, you are forced to either accept a car that gets detuned by the ECU, or you have to source race gas/mix it yourself, or buy octane booster.<p>with that being said, the R is a great combination of speed and luxury and practicality. It has decent sized back seats, four doors, and a sizeable trunk. If you get a V70R you have even MORE practicality.<p>My S60R with basic bolt ons, in cool temps, running the right gas, has outrun B5 S4s, E46 M3s, and a 350 hp 5.7L GTO. Albeit, I ddin't "smoke" these cars, I would say it was a driver's race.<p>a lightly modded R is probably on par with an E46 M3 or Audi S4 in terms of straight line speed. If you mod the springs/sways you will get a LOT more handling out of the car too. I've heard some say the M3 will still out handle the R, but I've heard M3 owners say their S60R handled BETTER than their modded M3....so there.<p>test drive one. if you can find a person on SS who lives near you that would take you for aride in thei rmodded R you could see wha the car woudl be like withmods.
 

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Re: found an s60r for sale...worth it? (hiddentactics)

Seems like a pretty good deal to me given the low mileage.<p>The '04 is the first year the R was available so it has the most bugs (as is true with most new models). Most were addressed (or should have been) by software upgrades, except the 'auto tranny' power issue and, I believe the 4C's processor is faster in '05+ models. You didn't say whether you were looking at a manual or Geartronic so I'm just making a note of this. The Geartronic models were powered down by Volvo in 1st and 2nd gear (I think) to avoid destroying the tranny...so they don't produce the same power as the manual.<p>The R is definitely mod-able, but its not nearly as cheaply modded as a VAG car since there's a much smaller market for the performance products and even fewer tuners in that market.<p>Both the R32 and R use a similar Haldex system (not torque driven) and both have a FWD bias.<p>All turbos suffer from heat soak issues unless they have a big honking FMIC and/or an Aquamist-like product installed to assist with cooling. The R is subject to the same rules as other turbos.<p>Since its summer, take it out for a drive and see if you like it. That's the only way you're going to know if its a right fit for you. I agree with Sean though, the R32 and R are two very different cars. The R is more of a "mature-man's" competitor to the Evo and STi, whereas the R is more closely aligned in the market against the S4 and other similar 'luxo' cars.<p>-Eric
 

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well said sean. Also, one thing I would like to add is that if you plan on modding your car then the dealer is a vital part of the ownership of a volvo. I wish I had interviewed my service dept prior to buying but then I would not have made so many freinds on here!
 

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Re: found an s60r for sale...worth it? (hiddentactics)

Hey George, it would be sweet to have another 'R' to hang with here on LI.<br>I originally was not looking to mod this car. I say this coming from a modified 1.8T Passat. Then of course I found out there are some Software upgrades available (Done> BSR). Then I find that the suspension with its 4C capabilities is still too soft even in 'Advanced'(Done> Eibach). These improvements have enhanced the cars performance and yes it is quicker than the R32( I know from experience <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ) but if you like tuning and want to have more than 2 or 3 choices of tuners then stick with VAG. If you want <U>many</U> alternative cosmetic and wheel options go VAG. I purchased my 04 CPO and don't regret it and that price you've got sounds good (if it's CPO).<p>Pete
 

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supercharge or turbo your R32 if you want more power. That will probably make it faster and more "tracky" than an R with over $10k worth of mods. You'd be getting alot more power on a smaller, lighter, sportier car.
 

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To do a full turbo upgrade when all is said and done is 12-15K on an R and another 25-35K if you want internals and an engine build. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> Needless to say if the performance is all you are after get a NA Carrera and supercharge it. you can do that on an 01 for 45K total. <p>The R is a car you get because you like it's character. There are "better" cars out there but my R is faster than the average R and I would not trade it for anything. Not often do you find a car that can do the 1/4 mile in ....well quicker than I think people think the R is capable and has a stereo that sounds this good.(focal Utopia 3 ways FTW!)<p>Anyways, My car is unique and I am sure if you talk to people like Frank(big red) then he will give you a similar response. There are faster cars but NONE as unique as mine. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I agree with R_Rated, I drive a Volvo because like he said it has character. It is different, it makes people think. I would choose an R. Hiddentactics sounded more concerned with performance and he already has a very capable racer infront of him.
 

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Re: found an s60r for sale...worth it? (hiddentactics)

Provided that you can get the history of the vehicle, this is a great buy with that number of miles. I wonder why an R of that age would have so few miles on it? Especially since it is such a great daily driver.
 

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the car i am looking at is a 6 speed, and i dont track my R32 at all, i basically like to drive fast in and out of traffic, have some fun, and look good doing it. My R32 draws alot of attention because i have a compitition exhaust and it is bright red. I am used to the lack of aftermarket mods available as the R32 was limited to 5000 units for the US and only one full year of production, so modding the car is fairly expensive. The turbo on the R32 is amazing, 450 crank HP and 350 to the wheels for 7k installed. So far quite a few people have the turbo with no heat soak issues with multiple runs on a track over 100 degrees. I only run 93 octane on the car, so gas isnt really a problem, but i am 27 and i guess the rc race car look of the R32 is wearing on me alittle. <p>Some people has been weary on the mileage of the car i was looking at, the seller lives in manhattan and commutes by taxi. all service done by the dealer with records available. it was garaged in manhattan under a cover, so it seems like a steal of a deal. I am just unsure because I love my car. thanks for the input guys
 

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If i were in your position and was looking for what you are looking for in a car, I would just mod that R32. The VF Engineering super charger kit with a fm intercooler im sure would be more than a pleassure to drive and would probably come out to be about $7k.
 

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The deal sounds great. For some reason the R32 and S60R have been cross-shopped quite a bit, even though I don't think that they are direct competitors. <p>I had a very similar situation and I went with the R hands down when the lease prices ended up being lower than most anything in the R's category (i.e. 3 series, IS, G35 etc). The R32 is a nice car and I'm sure that it handles better, stock for stock. But as you mentioned, you are willing to mod the car to the point where it will be faster than most of the competition and it is very, very comfortable. It is definitely a vehicle that can be kept long term due to its drivability and certainly does not carry the racer look of the R32. In the end it's obviously up to you, but at that price with those miles I can't see that car sitting around for too long.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>hiddentactics</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Some people has been weary on the mileage of the car i was looking at, the seller lives in manhattan and commutes by taxi. all service done by the dealer with records available. it was garaged in manhattan under a cover, so it seems like a steal of a deal. I am just unsure because I love my car. thanks for the input guys</TD></TR></TABLE><p>If that's the case than it's truly a "little old lady" car and well worth the steal! Snap it up!<p>The R is plenty quick, not super fast, but refined and fairly rare. I love our V70!<br>
 

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Re: found an s60r for sale...worth it? (hiddentactics)

<A HREF="http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?article_id=8720&section_id=15&page_number=5" TARGET="_blank">More power:</A><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Car and Driver 2004</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <br><b>2004 HPA Motorsports Stage II Twin Turbo R32</b><br>Street drivability: <br>1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 119 mph<br>Road course: 51.0 sec<br>150-to-0-mph braking: 742 feet<br>Total course time: 107.5 sec<br>The engine barked, the hammer dropped, four tires screeched in chorus, and the HPA R32 flew off like a square cannonball. <FONT COLOR="red"><b>The world’s quickest lunchbox posted a 3.6-second 0-to-60 run and an 11.7-second quarter-mile at 119 mph,</b></FONT> although the R32’s best overall time—107.5 seconds—had slower acceleration legs. In this field of big-bore buffalo sedans, only the Vishnu Evo was quicker in the quarter-mile, a triumph for the pipsqueaks. </TD></TR></TABLE><br><IMG SRC="http://www.caranddriver.com/assets/image/1006200411270803.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>This R32 is a bit faster than you can get the Volvo R to go without hooking up to an aircraft carrier's launch hook. OK, that particular R32 had about $81K in it.<br>I liked the size of my GTI compared to the R, esp in traffic around town, not to mention the turning radius. In the luxury and uniqueness categories, the Volvo still wins with me. I love my R's seats.<p>- Polartek
 
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