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I put a set of Michelin PS <B>Exalto </B>All Seasons on my Lexus GS today<br><B>235/45/17.</B>Yes I realize this is not a comparison to an R but the size IS the same.<br>What a wonderful tire. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> Less expensive then a PS all season but extremely QUIET, supposedly much longer tread life, decent load rating. Tracks very straight, no darting around<br>I think that for someone who may be looking for a REAL NICE TIRE that may have a bit less hard edge dry performance but overall superior in all other areas this may be a good choice. It's rated 3-1/2 seasons <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> (light snow)<br>(Nice curb protector too). I bought them from Tire Rack mounted on a set of OZ Graphite Ultraleggeras, 17x8", yet there is still a good bit of sidewall protruding out unlike a PZero.<br>If you read the owners ratings, everyone else seems to love them too
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I put a set of Michelin PS <B>Exalto </B>All Seasons on my Lexus GS today<br><B>235/45/17.</B>Yes I realize this is not a comparison to an R but the size IS the same.If you read the owners ratings, everyone else seems to love them too</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think those have been pretty popular in Europe for the last year. I think dealer here was showing them off to me over a year ago.
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire ("R" Kelly)

Fairly new over here and I am impressed with it
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (Helmut Ranff)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Helmut Ranff</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is the load rating?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>94, not bad at all<br>235/45/17 is the largest size for now, no 18s
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (JRL)

The new Goodyear Excellence was developed specifically for Europe, don't think it has made it to the US yet.<p><IMG SRC="http://eu.goodyear.com/uk_en/images/pro_exellence_tcm64-1960.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (JRL)

Jim:<p>I know it will be difficult, since they are on different vehicles, but is there any way you can compare them to the P/S A/S's?<p>Interesting, they are not listed on the tire rack's website. <p>Thanks.
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (needsdecaf)

Yes, they are listed.<br>As for comparisons apples and oranges, two completely different cars, my R and my Lexus but let me get 1000 miles on them and report back. However, first impressions are: <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>They're not even scrubbed in, let me use them in the rain
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The new Goodyear Excellence was developed specifically for Europe, don't think it has made it to the US yet.<p><IMG SRC="http://eu.goodyear.com/uk_en/images/pro_exellence_tcm64-1960.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nice looking tire.
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (MagoonR)

Another good alternative all season tire for the R is the Turanza LS-Z. This tire has some of the best ratings I've seen for any tire sold at Tire Rack. Very quiet, good treadwear (40K), great in wet, handles very well for a all-season, much less rear hop than the stock Pirelli's, does reasonably well in a few inches of snow. After this past summer I couldn't wait for fall to get those damned Pireli's off and have these nice quiet, comfortable tires on. Sure they don't stick like summer tires but they handle suprisingly well. They aren't cheap but if they handle well and last longer than they are worth it in my mind.
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (JRL)

It's not the tires, it is the Lexus.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I can't handle the LOUD Pilot Sport A/S tires I have... I may have to switch to these new ones. Oops - noticed they don't come in 18's.
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (Johann)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's not the tires, it is the Lexus.. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>No, not really. The car came with an off brand tire which had<B> a least </B>1/2 tread life left but they were <B>LOUD,</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> these new Michelins made all the difference in the world
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, they are listed.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Figured out why they weren't showing up. Had to seach by size and brand, if you do a search using the R, the minimum speed rating is V.<p>Reviews and ratings look good, and they are usualy spot on.<p>Thanks for the info and let us know in a month or 2.
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Figured out why they weren't showing up. Had to seach by size and brand, if you do a search using the R, the minimum speed rating is V.<p>Reviews and ratings look good, and they are usualy spot on.<p>Thanks for the info and let us know in a month or 2.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I forgot to mention that. (about the speed rating)<br>These are NOT for racers and Europeans who drive over 130 mph but for US drivers and those who drive under 125, who don't need maximum dry performance, they are a VERY good 17" alternative. <br>Just another real nice tire to file in your brain when tires are needed
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The new Goodyear Excellence was developed specifically for Europe, don't think it has made it to the US yet.<p><IMG SRC="http://eu.goodyear.com/uk_en/images/pro_exellence_tcm64-1960.jpg" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks very similar to this (soon to be available) tire at tire rack: the Eagle ResponsEdge:<p><IMG SRC="http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/goodyear/gy_eagle_redge_ci2_l.jpg" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I forgot to mention that. (about the speed rating)<br>These are NOT for racers and Europeans who drive over 130 mph but for US drivers and those who drive under 125, who don't need maximum dry performance, they are a VERY good 17" alternative. <br>Just another real nice tire to file in your brain when tires are needed</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I called tire rack and spoke to them about the speed rating, they said as long as you don't plan on going over 130mph they are prefectly safe. He also mentioned, probaly sales pitch, that they are excellent tires, very quiet, better ride, great wet traction, MUCH better wear than the V rated tires. I think I wil pick up a set of 4 since they are ~50 bucks less than PS A/S.<p>Thanks JRL!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>robucf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I called tire rack and spoke to them about the speed rating, they said as long as you don't plan on going over 130mph they are prefectly safe. He also mentioned, probaly sales pitch, that they are excellent tires, very quiet, better ride, great wet traction, MUCH better wear than the V rated tires. I think I wil pick up a set of 4 since they are ~50 bucks less than PS A/S.<p>Thanks JRL!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Unless you are one of our bretheren overseas, I wouldn't worry about an H speed rating. If I am not mistaken, the speed rating is not the maximum peak speed for the tire, but rather the maximum <B>sustained</B> speed for the tire. Heat is the issue. Sustained running at high speeds will build up the temp rapidly and lead to problems. If you take a 130MPH rated tire up to 155 for under a minute, I don't think you'd have a problem.<p>Or am I all wet?
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Or am I all wet?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>You are correct, you're on a roll lately <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Found an alternative tire (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You are correct, you're on a roll lately <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No pun intended? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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