Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk.

stev vanveit · Jun 19, 2009

First off I'm just a fan.Both side agree that costs need to reeled in to a $60 million budget cap. Seems to me the so called "technical restrictions" should to be identified in detail. How can Ferrari say it is "fundamentally unfair" when they are the world leader? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> Has anyone listed the true values of the "participants and partners"?Formula One in turmoil as rebel teams poised to walk17 Jun 2009 ... Formula One plunged into its biggest crisis in 60 years today, with eight of the series' 10 teams announcing. <A HREF="http://www.canada.com/sports/Formula+turmoil+rebel.../story.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canada.com/sports/F....html</A> - Similar -

JRL · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (stev vanveit)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stev vanveit »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">First off I'm just a fan.Both side agree that costs need to reeled in to a $60 million budget cap. Seems to me the so called "technical restrictions" should to be identified in detail. How can Ferrari say it is "fundamentally unfair" when they are the world leader? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> Has anyone listed the true values of the "participants and partners"?Formula One in turmoil as rebel teams poised to walk17 Jun 2009 ... Formula One plunged into its biggest crisis in 60 years today, with eight of the series' 10 teams announcing. <A HREF="http://www.canada.com/sports/Formula+turmoil+rebel.../story.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canada.com/sports/F....html</A> - Similar -</TD></TR></TABLE>Do me a favor, please just stay out of the motorsports section. You have no idea what's really going on and what you posted is WRONG, NO ONE agreed to a 60M cap, even in principle, plus it's way beyond that now. We racers (or ex racers in my case) know what's going on, please do not clip ONE FRACKING POST and place it here.As for technical, it's not all that complicated, bernie and Max want to bring costs down by making F1 a glorifies SPEC series, that's not what F1 is, was or should be. Yes things do need some sort of a cap but not the way this all started and not the amount stated! The entire thing has boiled down to a power play but FOTA is more right than Bernie the troll, or Max the Nazi

stev vanveit · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (JRL)

I would like an official ruling from a moderator listed in Motorsport Forum they are Needsdecaf, Helmet Ranff and gdill2. If any of these gentlemen say that the Motorsport Forum is for racers only I will gladly cease and desist from posting.I did state at the onset that I was a "fan" only. I found the topic interesting and confusing all at the same time - so I posted hoping that SS members could shed a light.I would like to clarify that the $60m is a voluntary cap amount in order to curtail a "financial arms race" in F1.Formula One in turmoil : Sport: Motorsport: FormulaOne19 Jun 2009 ... Formula One in turmoil : Sport: Motorsport: FormulaOne. Eight F1 teams have began preparations for a rival series after failing to resolve ... <A HREF="http://www.sport24.co.za/.../FormulaOne/.../Formula_One_in_turmoil_" TARGET="_blank">http://www.sport24.co.za/.../F...moil_</A> - 20 hours ago - Similar -

JRL · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (stev vanveit)

<A HREF="http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-fota-had-no-alternative-says-horner" TARGET="_blank">http://formula-one.speedtv.com...orner</A>/ <A HREF="http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-easy-to-setup-new-series-says-howett" TARGET="_blank">http://formula-one.speedtv.com...owett</A>/ <A HREF="http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-fia-starts-legal-action-against-teams" TARGET="_blank">http://formula-one.speedtv.com...teams</A>/Christ, you can't even post a proper link You may be a "fan" but a very UNinformed one Who said it was for racers only, I certainly didn't but please post your at times very odd posts in the OT over there, leave racing to people who understand racing and the racing business

John2x240 · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (JRL)

Personally, I don't really care what happens. F1 these days is a joke, Bernie is a bad joke, and Mosley is a sad joke. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> You can see much more good, close racing with lots of passing at most Regional race weekends these days than in F1, and the spectator ticket prices are a lot lower. The same goes for most of the semi-pro and second and third tier pro racing too, plus the tracks are more interesting and challenging than the boring Wilson designed or influenced cookie-cutter circuits that Bernie seems to favour. As for F1, I say a pox on all of them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">

850arrrsaylikepirate · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JRL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The entire thing has boiled down to a power play but FOTA is more right than Bernie the troll, or Max the Nazi</TD></TR></TABLE>So true.A very small nutshell of what the hell is going on: <A HREF="http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090619220453.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he...shtml</A> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by John2x240 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally, I don't really care what happens. F1 these days is a joke, Bernie is a bad joke, and Mosley is a sad joke. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> You can see much more good, close racing with lots of passing at most Regional race weekends these days than in F1, and the spectator ticket prices are a lot lower. The same goes for most of the semi-pro and second and third tier pro racing too, plus the tracks are more interesting and challenging than the boring Wilson designed or influenced cookie-cutter circuits that Bernie seems to favour. As for F1, I say a pox on all of them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>Well alrighty then, another F1 hater, that's cool but it doesn't really help this thread any.

John2x240 · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (850arrrsaylikepirate)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 850arrrsaylikepirate »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... Well alrighty then, another F1 hater, that's cool but it doesn't really help this thread any. </TD></TR></TABLE>Not hate, more like frustration and disappointment with the way F1 has gone over the last decade. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">

850arrrsaylikepirate · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (John2x240)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by John2x240 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not hate, more like frustration and disappointment with the way F1 has gone over the last decade. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE>Ahhh. Indeed the shenanigans are crazy and it taints the racing. The teams really need to get Mosely out of the FIA and by threatening to leave is the only way to get it done, then so be it.But this only half of it, Bernie is trying so hard to make money that he is losing key audiences!Good God they need to be racing here in the US!! If the teams do breakaway I hope we see some more US GPs.

John2x240 · Jun 20, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (850arrrsaylikepirate)

Yeah, but where are they gonna run? At least if they come back to Canada the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Montreal isn't all that bad even though there's not much in the way of elevation changes. In the US the only track I know of that meets FIA standards is Indianapolis, and like all speedway/super oval infield circuits, it's flat and boring. Of course, if the constructors' series will accept other tracks without too much up-grading required, then maybe we can see F1 type racing at the Glen, maybe Road Atlanta, and Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway?). And if that happens in the 'States, maybe we can get them to come to Mosport or Le circuit Mt-Tremblant ... real road racing courses ... I'd love to see that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">

stev vanveit · Jun 22, 2009

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I think I'm okay in posting this...FIA/FOTA is now going from conception to implementation. Does this mean talks are stalling or have the stakes just increased?Formula One news, photos and results at GPUpdate.netFormula One news, photos, video's and results. Get all all the latest F1 news here at the most visited autosport website: GPUpdate.net. <A HREF="http://www.gpupdate.net" TARGET="_blank">http://www.gpupdate.net</A>/ - Cached - Similar -

thesternowl · Jun 23, 2009

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We'll know more after a crucial meeting at the WMSC summit on Wednesday. It's expected that a vote will take place that could oust Max Mosley (finally). Then, we'll know if FOTA will really walk or continue to talk. It's becoming clear that Max is truly the problem for FOTA. If Max, then no FOTA in F1. If un-Max then perhaps FOTA in F1 assuming an agreement can be reached soon. One thing is for sure: if this is not resolved now and I mean within a few days, then FOTA will be teetering close to the event horizon and forced to make the decision.By the way, I think this escapade is absolutely ridiculous. I'm sick and tired (as a fan) dealing with this BS year in and year out. It's like the worst soap opera imaginable.

stev vanveit · Jun 24, 2009

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Yep your right Max has fallen on his sword. Apparently he's now threatening litigation - good luck proving he wasn't autocratic?

Needsdecaf · Jun 24, 2009

Re: Re: (stev vanveit)

The official release from F1: <A HREF="http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/6/9551.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.formula1.com/news/h....html</A> After a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Wednesday, Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, issued the following statement:All currently competing teams have committed to the FIA Formula One World Championship.There will be no alternative series or championship and the rules for 2010 onwards will be the 2009 regulations as well as further regulations agreed prior to 29 April 2009.As part of this agreement, the teams will, within two years, reduce the costs of competing in the championship to the level of the early 1990s. The manufacturer teams have agreed to assist the new entries for 2010 by providing technical assistance.The manufacturer teams have further agreed to the permanent and continuing role of the FIA as the sport’s governing body. They have also committed to the commercial arrangements for the FIA Formula One World Championship until 2012 and have agreed to renegotiate and extend this contract before the end of that period.All teams will adhere to an upgraded version of the governance provisions of the 1998 Concorde Agreement.The following teams have been accepted for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship.TEAM / CONSTRUCTOR SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO / FERRARI VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES / McLAREN MERCEDES BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM / BMW SAUBER RENAULT F1 TEAM / RENAULT PANASONIC TOYOTA RACING / TOYOTA SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO / STR TBA RED BULL RACING / RBR TBA AT&T WILLIAMS / WILLIAMS TOYOTA FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM / FORCE INDIA MERCEDES BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM / BRAWN TBA CAMPOS META TEAM / CAMPOS COSWORTH MANOR GRAND PRIX / MANOR COSWORTH TEAM US F1 / TEAM US F1 COSWORTHIn view of this new agreement and with the prospect of a stable future for Formula One, FIA President Max Mosley has confirmed his decision not to stand for re-election in October this year. Bye bye Max. Thanks for fouling up the works for so long. By the way, who the hell are Campos and Manor? Good to see fresh blood! Who is going to stand in for Peter Windsor on the Speed TV coverage?

850arrrsaylikepirate · Jun 24, 2009

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Needsdecaf »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Bye bye Max. Thanks for fouling up the works for so long. ...Who is going to stand in for Peter Windsor on the Speed TV coverage? </TD></TR></TABLE>Thank God that buffoon is gone!I noticed on the Fox broadcast that someone else was doing the interviewing of the top three finishers. I can't remember his name but it wasn't Peter Windsor.

thesternowl · Jun 26, 2009

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Not so fast...<A HREF="http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090626170508.shtml" TARGET="_blank">http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he...shtml</A>Damn...he's like a bad penny.Here we go again <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">

John2x240 · Jun 27, 2009

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"F1: the Soap Opera." <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">

850arrrsaylikepirate · Jun 27, 2009

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Nice, flipp'n nice. The dude is most certainly <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">

John2x240 · Jun 27, 2009

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I wonder if either side really know what they're doing. While not exactly the same situation, the war between Champcars and the IRL almost killed the senior open-wheeled series in North America, and this despite some really good crowds at most events, fairly good TV exposure, and much closer racing and more passing than in F1 at the time, at least for Champcars. If FOTA and the FIA don't fix things up pretty soon, and despite the Max and Bernie show some FOTA members need a good boot up the arse too, then what is supposed to be the senior open-wheeled series in the world could wind up being worse off than the Champcar/IRL mess.

JRL · Jun 28, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (stev vanveit)

 INTERESTING WATCH ...STEV<A HREF="http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid626910340?bctid=27761491001" TARGET="_blank">http://link.brightcove.com/ser...91001</A>

850arrrsaylikepirate · Jul 1, 2009

Re: Formula One in turmoil; as rebel teams poised to walk. (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JRL »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><A HREF="http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid626910340?bctid=27761491001" TARGET="_blank">http://link.brightcove.com/ser...91001</A></TD></TR></TABLE>Nice recap in a nutshell.

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