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Stop posting your crap about street racing<p># In 2001, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reported that police listed street racing as a factor in 135 fatal crashes. The total was up from 72 street-racing-related fatalities reported in 2000.<br># According to the California Office of Traffic Safety, more than 800 citations for illegal street racing were issued in 2001.<br># In San Diego, where the street racing problem has been termed "epidemic," 16 deaths and 31 injuries were directly related to illegal street racing in 2001. The city's attorney's office prosecuted 147 illegal street racing cases in 1999, 161 in 2000, and 290 in 2001.<br># In Florida in 2001, 7,216 citations were issued for racing on the highway.<br># In 1999, the Florida Department of Highway and Safety for Motor Vehicles reported 28 accidents related to illegal street racing, with 2 fatalities and 27 injuries. In 2000, the agency reported 39 racing accidents, with 1 fatality and 55 injuries. In 2002, there were 48 racing accidents, 1 fatality, and 60 injuries.<br># According to the NHTSA, motor vehicle accidents are the leading cause of death for people between the ages of 16 and 20.<br># The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety says 5,749 teens died in the United States from motor vehicle crash injuries in 1999.<br># Nationwide statistics show that 49 people are injured for every 1,000 who participate in illegal street racing.<p>As a result, city and state ordinances have been issued regarding illegal street racing. Though laws vary, here are some penalties faced by street racers:<p># You can be arrested and have your car impounded for 30 days.<br># If convicted of street racing or aiding and abetting a street race, you can be imprisoned for up to three months and fined up to $1,000. Spectators are subject to penalties as well.<br># Your driver's license can be revoked.<br># Your car insurance may be cancelled or the rates dramatically increased.<br># Cars in and around illegal street races are often issued equipment violations. <p><br>_________________________________________________________<br>Del Worsham, CSK Red Funny Car Driver<p>"Too many people don’t understand the power of an automobile. Cars are cool, they’re fun, and it’s neat to go fast and race somebody. But if something breaks, or something goes wrong, the last place you want to be is on the street."<p>"The NHRA has programs at tracks all over America. They check out your car, show you how to race, and give you a time slip so you can see how your car’s running. If you don’t care about times but you just want to beat somebody, you can do that too. The main thing is, you’ll be racing responsibly. You won’t have to worry about hurting yourself or some innocent bystander, and you won’t have to worry about getting arrested."<p>Phil Burkhart, CSK Blue Funny Car Driver<p>"Getting arrested or getting hurt is a bad way to learn an obvious lesson. Street racing is stupid. It’s a mistake in the making. Street racing kills people and ruins lives. The only place to race is at the track, where everything is built for racing."<p>"No one ever thinks something will go wrong, or something will break. Everybody expects they’re going to beat that guy in the other lane, go home, and wake up the next morning to get ready for school. If you race at a track, those are pretty accurate expectations. If you race on the street, you might never make it home."<br>_____________________________________________________<p>Minneapolis A 29-year-old Minneapolis man was sentenced to more than four years in prison for a woman's death during a street race in February, court officials said.<br>__________________________________________________________<br>Three people are dead in Vancouver after a car split in half during a possible street race on Saturday.<p>Police suspect two cars were racing on the Trans-Canada Highway in the city when one car, a silver BMW, clipped another car and spun into a ditch. The BMW then split into two when it hit a power pole.<br>___________________________________________________________<br> A 62-year-old woman has died after a major accident apparently caused by a street race. As many as eight others were injured.<br>It happened last night in Norwalk.<p>Investigators say the woman was driving a Honda Civic when she turned left in front of the two cars that were racing down Alondra Boulevard. Both cars hit the Civic, causing it to flip over and shear off a fire hydrant.<p>The other victims - all between 13 and 21 years old - were riding in the cars apparently involved in the race. <br>________________________________________________________<br><IMG SRC="http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j267/GhawiJ/streetrace.jpg" BORDER="0"><br>
 

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Not at all due to the increase of "kill posts" on this forum.
 

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People are going to be what they are, despite what a stranger posts on a car forum. Just don't read what will make you mad, I doubt people will change their habits. Save yourself the time and effort. I am also against street racing, but I'll leave it to the police to enforce the laws.
 

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Do you not think that the posting of such alleged "kills" does not further encourage people to race?<p>If so, I strongly disagree. <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kurt</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought you could permanently lose your car... not just 30 days?</TD></TR></TABLE> I think it depends on State and local laws.<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Copeland</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you not think that the posting of such alleged "kills" does not further encourage people to race?<p>If so, I strongly disagree. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, I don't, but that's because I'm not encouraged to street race (or do anything else) because other people talk about it.<p>You may have a valid point.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Copeland</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nationwide statistics show that 49 people are injured for every 1,000 who participate in illegal street racing.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Is that every year, or over the course of your life? If it is over the course of your life, then<br>it comes out to 70 deaths per 100K people per year, about the same as power boat racing, and it looks to be about 8x more safe than piloting a helicopter for a logging company.<br> <br>The average person has 42 deaths by accident per 100K per year, not that much less.<p>All accidents 42<br>Traffic Fatalities 28<br>Power Boat Racing 71<br>SCUBA 47<br>Mountaineering 50<br>Boxing 50<br>commercial fishing 111<br>Helicopter pilot 410<br>Helicopter piloting for alaska logging 5000<br>Air Shows 500<br>Homebuilt 312<br>General Aviation 145<br>Sailplane 45<br>Balloon 67<br>Hang Gliding 40<br>Skydiving 25
 

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I see the occasional post in here about "killing" an m3 or racing a mustang but now you get posts like these<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60757" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60757</A><br>Where he includes in the title <b>'WITH 3 PASSENGERS"</b> so now its not just 2 idiots going at it endangering thier own lives not to mention the countless other lives on the road but 5 people.... these idiots are getting more daring and stupid and that worries me since myself, family, and friends share the road with them.<p><br>Straight up, its fathers day and if someone were to race, hit and killed my father, I would kill them
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Nebor</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For most people who die racing, they died doing something they loved. What better way to go?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You've got a point there. I hate to state the obvious, but you fail to think of the people who die as a result of SOMEONE ELSE street racing.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NEBOR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For most people who die racing, they died doing something they loved. What better way to go? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nebor, I enjoy reading your posts but that is <b><i>BY FAR THE DUMBEST THING</b></i> that you could say....... What about the guy who wasnt racing but got hit by that street racer <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> or the family celebrating their first fathers day with their 2 month old daughter. Both parents and the street racing idiot are dead, but the kid can always say when she grows up "well at least the driver died doing what he loved"<p><b>WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?</b>
 

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I would like to say that, after having studied a lot of traffic laws after recently getting a speeding ticket myself, I have drawn the following conclusion about traffic law...<p>The laws suggest that the primary motivator on the legislator's part is the taxation of the people. Traffic violations bring big money, and it seems that law-makers see this as an opportunity.<p>If safety truly was the primary motivator, things would be different. Getting on the road would be MUCH harder and involve more driver education. Cars would have governors. Consequences would be more than a financial slap on the wrist for messing up on the road. States would not pull cops off the road and replace them with photo-radars. If they wanted to, they could put electronic chips in the cars and speed limit signs that sent a signal to your car limiting it to that max speed. But where is the revenue in that? We can't fine people if we prevent them from doing wrong.<p>Yes, some people will be in serious trouble when they lose their car for 30 days, pay a 1000 dollar fine, and have a higher insurance rate. But a lot of people will be able to absorb this albeit with hardship, and they will drive again. They may have hurt themselves, others, or just put everyone at risk, but they're out there again, and the lesson is after paying a little cash and taking a brief hit, it's game on again in a few months. And furthermore, the government can say it did something for our safety as it rakes in the cash.<p>Sorry for such a jaded view but go read up all the traffic-related laws in your state... you'll be disgusted, it's just a big money-rake.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>West Point Grad <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"></b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They may have hurt themselves, others, or just put everyone at risk, but they're out there again</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep, my friend was pulled over drunk, spent the night in jail, paid like $2000 in fines, and now has to pay (i think) 120 a month for the next 3 years to keep his license. Its insane! He hit a guardrail and clipped another car and his punishment was basically a slap on the wrist..... <br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KMK454</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br> If they wanted to, they could put electronic chips in the cars and speed limit signs that sent a signal to your car limiting it to that max speed. But where is the revenue in that? We can't fine people if we prevent them from doing wrong..<p>Sorry for such a jaded view but go read up all the traffic-related laws in your state... you'll be disgusted, it's just a big money-rake.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pretty much totally agree. With the technology out there, electronics could totally govern a car in any spped zone. But if that was the case, who would buy a 300 hp car, or dream of a 400 hp car? <p>I have never raced anyone. But I have to tell you, I do some early morning runs and nobodys on the freeway. Under those conditions, I have been known to go really fast. Maybe not real smart, certainly illegal, but why have a car that can go 155mph if you don't give it a go occassionally when NO ONE is around? I know it is dumb, but I think it is human nature.<br>Happy Dads day,<br>Jim
 

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Wow, I'm surprised there is that big a problem with this sort of thing over in S80 land... Oh wait... we're not in S80 land... GO HOME!
 

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You drive on the roads that lead me home....roads that are supposed to be safe.<p>And then you idiots drive on the roads that run through my fire dept's jurisdiction.... and when I am sleeping at the station and I am awoken to our tones for a major MVA where speed/ speed racing is an issue...im pretty pissed.<p>
 
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