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Yesterday I went out and bought a $50 low profile floor jack and some jack stands from good ole' Walmart. I purchased these mainly to swap out summer and winter tires, so I didn't want to spend much since I was only going to be using it a couple times a year. I just finished trying out the jack by lifting up the front and then putting the jack stands in place. Everything went as planned up to that point. <p>What I am concerned about is the release valve on the jack, it acts like an off/on switch. Is this normal for a cheap jack? The manual makes it sound like it would go down slowly, but with weight on it it dropped 3"+ in a split second. Would upgrading to one of the $100 jacks from harbor freight solve this, or is this possibly an isolated problem with the jack I bought?<p>Also, I bought 2 sets of jack stands, but after reading all of the concerns about jack points on the car, I am wondering if it is reall safe to put the car up on 4 jack stands at one time?<p>I have been spoiled the past nine years in that I worked at a dealership and had full access to the bays to do simple stuff like this. I don't have that access any more so instead of carting wheels back and forth to the dealership, I would rather do it myself. TIA
 

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Re: floor jack question (I Roll)

HUMM welll think about it!! i have to lift the R cars up ever dam day so why wouldnt it be safe!?!? and yea its 10feet over me so it HAS TO BE SAFE<br>at the rear theres thies bottom facing down cups put you saft jacks there, and for the front i like to use the Sub Fram brackets that look like a "A" its behind the subfram and put your jacks there<br>NBow i know the rear kinda confusing the way i put it. but if you look 5" digangle to the front frome the rear tire you will see what im talking about
 

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Re: floor jack question (I Roll)

Even the inexpensive jack I used to didn't function like an on/off switch. Sounds like there's a hydraulic problem with that one. Take it back, if the next one does the same thing, then you may want to spend the money on a better model.
 

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Re: floor jack question (I Roll)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YWhat I am concerned about is the release valve on the jack, it acts like an off/on switch. Is this normal for a cheap jack? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would upgrading to one of the $100 jacks from harbor freight solve this, or is this possibly an isolated problem with the jack I bought?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>A $100 jack from Harbor Freight would likely be no better. You need to start at around $150 for a nice, smooth, and high capacity [edit] steel [edit] hydraulic jack. [edit]Decent aluminum jacks start at $300.[edit]<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, I bought 2 sets of jack stands, but after reading all of the concerns about jack points on the car, I am wondering if it is reall safe to put the car up on 4 jack stands at one time?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's safe -- as long as the stands are on concrete and located *exactly* under the specified lifting points.<p>Even then, I always use multiple levels of safety.<p>With the car securely on stands, keep the hydraulic jack extended (but not bearing any weight) under one end of the car. That's your escape route.<p>As you remove the wheels, lay them flat beneath the edges of the chassis. If something lets go, the chassis will drop onto the wheels. The 12-16 inch gap may be the only thing that keeps you alive if you cannot get out in time.<p>This is an issue of life and death. Don't trust your life to cheap jacks and stands. Get the best ones you can. Then trust them only so far.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by RearWheelPaul at 5:27 PM 3-27-2009</i>
 

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Re: floor jack question (VolvokidS60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvokidS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i have to lift the R cars up ever dam day so why wouldnt it be safe!?!? and yea its 10feet over me so it HAS TO BE SAFE<br>at the rear theres thies bottom facing down cups put you saft jacks there, and for the front i like to use the Sub Fram brackets that look like a "A" its behind the subfram and put your jacks there </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Right, but I'm not talking about a lift, I'm talking about using 4 jack stands at once. I'm used to the whole lift routine, just not a floor jack and jack stands.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Right, but I'm not talking about a lift, I'm talking about using 4 jack stands at once. I used to the whole lift routine, just not a floor jack and jack stands.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>YEA but if you think about it ITS MORE DANGRES TO LIFE IT 10 FEET IN AIR! look if you dont know what you are doing then dont do it!! Iv been working on car for a long time and iv never had a problem with useing 4 stands at once shiiit i bilt a mime truck on 4 Fing jack stands!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Now if you put the stands were i just told you will be fine. shiiit you dont feel safe keep your wheels on, once its on all 4 try to push it over! if its not safe it will fall and you wernt under it. GOOD! the stands will roll on side if it falls so you wont damage your floor bord
 

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Re: floor jack question (I Roll)

my jack is about as cheap as you can get. But.. It does not act like an on and off switch. I just turn the release valve slowly and the car glides down slowly.
 

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Re: floor jack question (o2k)

Racing jacks are where it's at, no clearance issues with my lowered R with sports kit. I have this one from harbor freight, LED's are a nice touch and are very helpful.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/96500-96599/96562.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Its vary nice i used the same one light waight vary nice, You Xman you just tryin to come over friday or you wana do tonight also..? i may not be goiong to the burg
 

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Re: floor jack question (xman03)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>xman03</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Racing jacks are where it's at, no clearance issues with my lowered R with sports kit. I have this one from harbor freight, LED's are a nice touch and are very helpful.<p><IMG SRC="http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/96500-96599/96562.gif" BORDER="0"></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yeah, I looked at that one as well. My Walmart special has the LEDs which do indeed help a lot.<p>Guess I'll return this one.
 

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Re: floor jack question (I Roll)

My dad one year for Xmass got me a craftsman one low pro with 2 5 ton stands, BUT!!! it was pricey!!!!!
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>VolvokidS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My dad one year for Xmass got me a craftsman one low pro with 2 5 ton stands, BUT!!! it was pricey!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hey, my dad did the same thing....wowsers! Nice stuff tho... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: floor jack question (I Roll)

You need to just barely open the valve, just as 02k has stated. Any hydraulic jack behaves the same way, and I have used and owned Hein Werner, Blackhawk, and Harbor Freight.
 

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I have two relatively cheap jacks. One is a 450 no-name 20 year old unit from Zellers and the other is a $150 couple years old from Canaidan tire (Michelin Tire branded) which I got to accomodate my XC90. <A HREF="http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374303523074&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442936325&bmUID=1238099362976&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true" TARGET="_blank">http://www.canadiantire.ca/bro...=true</A><p>With careful and slow losening of the valve 'screw' I can slowly and smoothly lower my Volvos. Lowering has never been an issue with either of these 'cheap' jacks.<p>LTA<p><br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>RearWheelPaul</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is an issue of life and death. Don't trust your life to cheap jacks and stands. Get the best ones you can. Then trust them only so far.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Here is what a real jack stand looks like:<br><IMG SRC="http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh66/Fast_Eddie_B/ESCOJackStand.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>Available here for $78 a pop: <A HREF="http://www.asedeals.com/flat-top-jack-stands.html" TARGET="_blank">http://www.asedeals.com/flat-top-jack-stands.html</A>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>rogersampson</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You need to just barely open the valve, just as 02k has stated. Any hydraulic jack behaves the same way, and I have used and owned Hein Werner, Blackhawk, and Harbor Freight.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It really had no play at all. The manual said not to exceed 2 full turns. I barely got 1/16th of a turn (enough to move the valve) and the car would drop completely. I have already taken it back. Any suggestions on the ones you listed?
 

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you only need three jack stands ............<p>cause the car doesnt actually rest on the fourth one. <p>that or you can use the two side jack points with two jacks and lift the whole car that way <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>I Roll</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It really had no play at all. The manual said not to exceed 2 full turns. I barely got 1/16th of a turn (enough to move the valve) and the car would drop completely. I have already taken it back. Any suggestions on the ones you listed? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am a fan of the older Hein Werners, (you will not find them cheap), but certainly would consider Walker, Lincoln, or Blackhawk as used jacks. Any GOOD quality jack has rebuild kits available. A newer jack of reasonable quality would be NORCO. They can be serviced as well. <p>I would stay away from any of the suitcase jacks, sometimes called trolly jacks. For a low end, throw away jack, Northern Tool sells, Torin that looks fair, but I do not own one.<p>Clearly any floor jack, of even the lowest quality, is a magnitude away from the Volvo jack, in terms of safety. AS has been stated here, always use jack stands, and rock the car once up, to make sure it is stable.
 

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I have a Craftsman jack <A HREF="http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00950239000P?vName=Automotive&cName=Tools+%26+Equipment&sName=Lift+Equipment" TARGET="_blank">http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_1...pment</A><p>Despite the bad reviews, I have had it for 2 years and never had an issue, i use it all the time.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chilled Man</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you only need three jack stands ............<p>cause the car doesnt actually rest on the fourth one. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>WHAT?!!?!?!?!? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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