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Greetings all. I registered on this board as simply "ViperMan" but I never got my confirmation email... So after getting impatient, I tried with a different email address, and voila - here I am.

Anyways, I'll get right to it: I need to part ways with my surprisingly-reliable 2001 Dodge Stratus R/T Coupe (5sp 3.0 V6) and get something with four doors... ...for the new kid joining the family sometime over the winter.

But I'm a sports-car enthusiast. I want something fun. I've been considering WRX's, but most of what you find are Legacy's and MAN are they boring. WRX's have either been tuned to the level of idiocy and/or beaten within an inch of their lives... I was considering a Jaguar X-Type 2.5, but apparently they're slower'n molasses in the winter time. Finally an S60 R popped up on the list, and I gave it a look over.

Love the AWD, really want a manual (though the wife prefers auto but hey - she gets a baby. Deal.) And really impressed with the 300hp stock from these things.

ANYWAYS, the reason I'm writing is that there is an S60 - actually two of them - for sale in my area. Here's the one that has my interest: http://www.lwautomotive.com/newandu...9c1/none/2004-Volvo-S60-Wexford-PA-15090.aspx

Question is, should I buy a used Volvo that's already 110-thousand miles in? I don't think these things get beaten as hard, but what dangers might lurk ahead, especially if this is going to be a "family car." According to KBB, that price is pretty reasonable - maybe a few hundred high, but that's about it.

Or should I hold out for one with lesser miles on it? I saw a classified ad on this site for a well-modded S60 up in Michigan with 91K miles on it, but the price on it is a bit north of what I really want to pay.

I want something sub-$13K so I can still turn around in a year or two and buy another 1970's Plymouth Barracuda to replace the one I had to sell in 2009.

Anyways, that wasn't as "to the point" as I had planned (get used to it from me!) This looks like a good site, so I look forward to some feedback from the group here. Thanks for havin' me!

Jeff "The ViperMan" K.

and in case you're wondering why...


My "other" car. :)
 

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There are tons of posts here asking the exact same question, so seek and you shall find.

To summarize what all of the other threads say:
A well-maintained car with service records and some of the typical failures already addressed can be a good buy even with high mileage.
A poorly-maintained car is a crap-shoot.
Even nicely cared-for cars break.
Some of the common failures are expensive.

You have a Viper though, soooo....why do you need a "sports" car? You're having a kid soon so you should probably go buy a mini-van or something instead... or better yet, a V70R.
 

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I'm having ONE kid, not running a daycare. You keep your minivans and station wagons to yourself. :)

I didn't go into details regarding the fact that I'm a trained auto service technician, so "fixing stuff" isn't a huge issue to me. I'm just wondering about things like reliability of the turbos, and especially whatever this "angle gear" thing is that I'm reading up a lot about. Problem is the car I posted above is from a dealership, and you KNOW they won't have any records on it. I'm actually starting to think buying from a private seller might be a better deal, since they'll know what's in it and what isn't.

And the Viper is a "fair-weather only" car, so I don't get to drive it that often. I want something that'll ease the pain of having to visit a daycare ever day. :)
 

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It can be expensive if stuff breaks, but over all is a solid car. I daily drive mine with sport springs, anti sway bars and lots of poly bushings no problem. Just remember it was an almost $50k car new not to mention a halo model, so stuff won't be cheap. You can totally pull off a sedan with one kid, but a modified wagon looks pretty sweet. Good luck with your search.

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No DO NOT BUY ONE.....I hate the S60R that's why I have 2,275 posts in the R forum :)





















BUY ONE......It's no Viper but still
 

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You keep your minivans and station wagons to yourself. :)
i like this.

anyway, if you do all the work yourself it's not too bad to own these cars. struts are semi pricey but from the right sources not terrible. angle gears don't fail as often as they leak and need to be re-sealed. most of the awd failures are the collar, and if you are doing that yourself, the kit to repair is under $150. Just time to take everything apart. Same things with slave cyl failure. it will happen and it's in the bell housing so you'll probably need to do the clutch as well. again if you do the work yourself it's not the end of the world.

just be careful in selecting a properly maintained car.

good luck
 

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Jozooka is right... it's a crap shoot. I have a well-maintained '06 S60R. The valve body was bad (automatics only), power steering pump broke, AWD failed...and i expect my struts to fail soon. Other parts such as the 4C suspension can be expensive if failed.

You can be a great mechanic and save on labor, but as everyone says, parts are not cheap and is difficult to find cheap parts - I think it's because the Volvo R is not a common enthusiast car unlike Audi S4s and BMWs, so difficult to scrap parts.

But Im very happy with it - yet stock S60R auto will not match up with a 335 or S4, or even a standard Cadillac CTS 3.6L. So if you want a car that can keep up with an older 335, S4 or even a tuned WRX and newer cars with V6+, it might cost you around $3000 for basic suspension/sway and power mods (exhaust + tune). Then again a modded S60 may be driven hard by the owner.
 

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Volvo has been using turbos in cars for a long time so turbo reliability is generally good. Angle gear also is generally reliable, it's usually the collar sleeve that is a weak point. Although there have been a few actual angle gear failures, no where near as many as stripped collar gears.
 

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Jozooka is right... it's a crap shoot. I have a well-maintained '06 S60R. The valve body was bad (automatics only), power steering pump broke, AWD failed...and i expect my struts to fail soon. Other parts such as the 4C suspension can be expensive if failed.

You can be a great mechanic and save on labor, but as everyone says, parts are not cheap and is difficult to find cheap parts - I think it's because the Volvo R is not a common enthusiast car unlike Audi S4s and BMWs, so difficult to scrap parts.

But Im very happy with it - yet stock S60R auto will not match up with a 335 or S4, or even a standard Cadillac CTS 3.6L. So if you want a car that can keep up with an older 335, S4 or even a tuned WRX and newer cars with V6+, it might cost you around $3000 for basic suspension/sway and power mods (exhaust + tune). Then again a modded S60 may be driven hard by the owner.
agreed, but we are talking about a car that was originally designed in 1999-2000, slightly modified when R's came out but basic s60. Thats a long time ago. For what it is the R is a great all around car, thats comfy as hell, looks good,stealthy, and doesn't embarrass itself out there and you don't see it on every corner.

The 2.5l/turbo is solid. The engine is well tested and is great if you aren't throwing a lot of power at it where heat becomes a problem with the walls. cheap parts aren't difficult to find, tasca can get you any oem part way cheaper than most other dealers. Of course parts will be more expensive than subaru/honda/etc. BMW/Audi parts I Imagine aren't cheap either. Lots of aftermarket support is lacking for sure and mods are expensive but we have a few vendors that are great to work with.

I agree the used market is a crap shoot.
 

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You have a Viper though, soooo....why do you need a "sports" car? You're having a kid soon so you should probably go buy a mini-van or something instead... or better yet, a V70R.
Whats wrong with owning a Viper and SR??

My 94:
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Me buying an SR is similar to what you're saying ViperMan, I needed a family car that I wouldn't mind driving and will still smile ear to ear. I love my SR, truely do... Do your homework and get what you want, even if it does not end up to be an S60R, don't regret your purchase. I originally was buying an CTS-V a long time ago, dealer sold the car from under me (not dealers fault, rookie salesman) and gave me back my deposit (as I could have really made it bad for them to do such a thing but I let it go), so I went with my 2nd choice! haha, no regrets and loving it every day.
 

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In your case, grab a V70R, dump a little over $2K into performance, be able to keep up with the big boys of the class (if they are in stock form that is), and there you go. Don't get me wrong, I like the SR's but they are surprisingly small (particularly back seat area) and in your case you may be better served in a wagon. Plus as previously mentioned, quick wagons are just plain badass.
 

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Plus as previously mentioned, quick wagons are just plain badass.
Agreed

OP, 110k miles is in the territory for a suspension refresh, AWD reseal, and other stage 0 maintenance.
 

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I saw a classified ad on this site for a well-modded S60 up in Michigan with 91K miles on it, but the price on it is a bit north of what I really want to pay.
If you're referring to this classified ad: http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?175349-2004-Volvo-S60r-Evlolve-Ipd-Upgraded-Mi

Then I would point out that the seller seems to be having intermittent fuel/ignition cut out issues that he hasn't disclosed in the ad (see this thread: http://forums.swedespeed.com/showth...o)-NEED-HELP-A.S.A.P-!!&p=1921813#post1921813 )
 

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lol, noooice
 

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I will say that child seats in the back of a S60R are ok until their legs start growing :D

The back seats are tight. Both my wife & I have to pull up in the front seats for my kids in their seats. One is 7 and is in a booster chair, the other is 4 and is still in a full seat. Other than that, the car is awesome.
 

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Hmmm, yes I was referring to that ad, and when I talked to this seller on the phone today, they denied any driveability/MIL issues...
He has only had it a couple of months. It was previously Giraff3's car who took excellent care of it. He was also very honest about any issues it may have had when he sold it...
 

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He has only had it a couple of months. It was previously Giraff3's car who took excellent care of it. He was also very honest about any issues it may have had when he sold it...
I assume u meant giraffe3 was open/honest.

Only way to be imho. Thats why my salvage wrx sold in hours.
Full disclosure. Giraffe is top notch btw. Waiting for a post with his next R...
 
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