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<IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/resources/gallery/cars/00_s60/s60_awd_drive/large/05.jpg"> <P>We go to Rockport, Maine to drive the all-new S60 AWD. Read more about it the morning of 7.29.01 on our main page or check it out in the Features/Roadtests section once it's been archived.<p>[This message has been edited by [email protected] (edited 08-29-2001).]
 

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George,<P>Wow, you guys did an excellent job on the AWD article! It sounds like the Haldex system is totally transparent in the way that it works. Do feel like Haldex almost works instantaneously?<P>-Drew
 

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Thank you. We try. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"> <P>The system is definitely quicker than the Viscous Coupling. That much we've been told, but we tried to test it in several ways. Several standing launches (hard launches) on gravel and one hard launch with an immediate turn more than 90-degrees would leave most cars spinning. The system was fantastic in all scenarios and performed quite flawlessly.<P>Going into this, I spoke to one of our Vortex editors about his experience with the Audi TT that uses the same Haldex system. He said that the front wheels would spin then hook up and then quickly follow suit in the rear. I've driven the TT and didn't notice that, but I watched for it here and put the car in situations where it should exhibit that if it were the case. The physics of the system point toward an effect like that described with the TT, but I didn't notice anything which makes me wonder how much of that was perception based on knowledge of how the system works.
 

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Yeah...very good article~! Now, I assume this car should be much nimble than the XC, right? And the 2001 XC did not have the Haldex system, right?<P>We felt the XC's AWD was almost transparent, if the Haldex is even better...man, maybe I should get one of these babies instead of the XC. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"><BR>
 

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Yeah, for now the XC uses the Viscous Coupling. I'm told by people at Volvo that it will eventually change over, but even the new 2002 V70 AWD and the '02 XC use the VC. <P>The S60 handles a little better than the XC, but the XC is pretty good for how high it is. I'd be curious about that sport suspension setup that Volvo says they'll offer as a dealer installed option.
 

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Sweet car. That's rough having to go to Maine to drive that. Any chance it'll come in a manual tranny?<P>Also, I thought Audi used a Torsen differential, and that isn't computer controlled like you mentioned I don't think. Did Volvo figure out a way to incorporate that?
 

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The 5-speed manual will not be available initially. If the car sells well enough, it's most likely a possibility, however I'd guess they'll hold off on a manual AWD for the S60R.<P>The Audi system on the cars with longitudinally mounted motors (A4, A6, A8) use the torsen system. Audi and VW for that matter use the the Haldex system in cases of transversely mounted engines like the TT and the rest of the A-chassis offerings like the European versions of the Golf and Jetta.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Evolvo:<BR><B>Also, I thought Audi used a Torsen differential, and that isn't computer controlled like you mentioned I don't think. Did Volvo figure out a way to incorporate that?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Evolvo,<P>The greatest advantage that Haldex has over Torsen is that it is totally programmable. The Torsen differential that Audi's use (except for the TT), it totally mechanical in operation, (also with exception to the electric locking differential). Haldex can be tied to the cars suspension, engine, brakes, ABS/EBD, and stability programs. This would not have been possible if Volvo used the Torsen system. Haldex is the future of AWD IMHO, because it is so versitile. Basically, Haldex is a simpler version of the AWD system used on the Porsche 959, which was called Porsche-Steuer Kupplung (PSK). The Porsche 959 PSK system is the most sophisticated AWD system the world has ever seen. But in todays world and reality, the best AWD system is ATTESA E-TS PRO used on the Skyline GT-R.<P>-Drew<BR>
 

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So, comparing with the X-type, why would I choose the lower HP'd S60?<P>Comments? Thoughts?<p>[This message has been edited by Kirk (edited 08-29-2001).]
 

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Hmmm, I'm not sure which system the X-type uses. That's a good question.<P>Hey InDy, I'm going to be working on an article about AWD, mostly comparing Viscous Couplings to Haldex. Any sources for data you suggest I check out?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kirk:<BR><B>So, comparing with the X-type, why would I choose the lower HP'd S60?<P>Comments? Thoughts?<P>[This message has been edited by Kirk (edited 08-29-2001).]</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have driven the X type. Impressive drivetrain, I was disapointed in the fit and finish of the interior. I definitly got the impression that it is indead a parts bin car. The Ford influance is rampant in the material. Simply put..there is a reason it will be less expensive than the S60 AWD, it is the quality of the marerials. Heck, if you arelooking for the best horsepower to dollar ratio, take a look at the Camaro and Firebirds..around 300hp range an you can stay under $30K.<BR><P>
 

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Well, each has a strength. To be fair, the Jag comes with more status, though that's not a great thing in my book and one reason I wouldn't buy a BMW even though it's a great car. Jag has the F1 team, and it is the baby Jag, little sibling to some really luxurious cars.<P>The Volvo is larger, though also quite sporting. I personally think it is the better car, but then again, I'm sure I'm biased.<P>The thing about the Jag is, I've seen the smaller engined version with smaller wheels for $36K sticker at the NY Auto Show. $36K is about what an S60AWD with 17" wheels will weigh in at. Plus, while Volvos have status, they're not a clickish kind of thing like BMW is and Jaguar is becoming.<P>I have to say though, I think the Jag is a great car. I haven't driven it, just seen it in person and I think that Ford went a lot further than one might have expected with it. The only thing I'd have done differently if I were them is to release the Jag before the Mondeo, much like Audi and VW did with the A4 and Passat. It's better to give the Mondeo the perceived quality of a Jag than it is the other way around.<P>BTW, don't slam this platform too hard. It is very possible that the S60 could ride upon it or an evolution of it in the not so distant future.
 

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Phil, George..<BR>Yup, you guys are right on the money. Dunno what else I can add, but I guess I'm also biased because at least you can't find many trace of Ford influence on the new volvo cars.<BR>Just the thought of cheap plastic in a Jag that is based on the Mondeo discourages me from buying that car. Not that the Mondeo has bad platform or anything, just the thought of it.<P>I guess I'm falling in love with Volvo. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>Of course a BMW, Benz, Porsche, Audi, VW, or any other European car will be nice to have. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/biggrin.gif"><P>I wonder if I'd ever be able to go back to American brand car again. (hehee..let's not flame this one..i know, i know)
 

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The-one...,<P>Have you checked out the Lincoln LS? It really is as great as people say it is. I got to spend a little track time with one. I think Ford has done an excellent job on their first try competing with the Europeans.<P>-Drew
 

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Yeah, that's the only Lincoln I would buy, but still got some very cheap plastic and interior styling is a bit too Ford-ish for me.<P>I don't really care how people comment that thing looking like a mix breed of Japanese car and European car. It's by far the most resonable looking Lincoln out there now.<P>The S-Type shares the same platform.<P>Guess we should go back on first name basis. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>Kai
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_one_n_only:<BR><B>Guess we should go back on first name basis. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><BR>Kai</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Haha! Yeah, I am guess I am too lazy to write your full ID. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/wink.gif"><P>But, IMHO the Lincoln LS is probably the best American sedan out there, maybe besides the new Cadillac CTS. The chassis dynamics are great, they just need to fix up the interior.<P>-Drew<P>
 
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