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Hey Everyone, <p>I just acquired a 96 850 Turbo Wagon. I'm fairly certain this thing was not taken care of before I got it and so far all the little things that go wrong with these I've found wrong on mine, but thats the easy stuff I have a couple questions....<p>1. Like lots of 850's the odometer has stopped (ordered a new gear from IDP) but I'm wondering if this car keeps a record of total milage somewhere other than the manual OD? Is there any way to Find total mileage? <br>2. I suspect that my turbo is cooked, me being a new comer to Volvo I'm wondering if theres a way (easy or not) to confirm that the turbo is shot or not? <br>3. I also have a decent amount of oil (about a quart over the 900 miles I drove this thing from NY to Chicago) leaking out of the front middle area of the engine bay. Not sure if theres a common Volvo issue that causes this? I'm going to tear into the thing sometime mid week and try to figure out where it's coming from. <br>4. Lastly I love this thing already, but as a mostly broke person I'm wondering just how expensive this thing is going to be to own? I'd really hate to give it up, but what do you guys think is wise? <p>Thank you to anyone who can help! All the support I've seen on this site is reason enough for me to want to stay with Volvo for a good long time!! (if I can afford it <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> )
 

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There is a way to read the actual mileage but I'm not sure how. I'm sure someone will chime in though.<p>Also if it was not taken care of these are most likely not the only problems. They are just the most obvious. These are not cheap cars to maintain and fix. But I do hope you can stay in the volvo family. <p>Good luck<p>ps How many miles does the odometer actually say?
 

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Re: Finding True Mileage And other Questions (karlboonzaayer)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>karlboonzaayer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>3. I also have a decent amount of oil (about a quart over the 900 miles I drove this thing from NY to Chicago) leaking out of the front middle area of the engine bay. Not sure if theres a common Volvo issue that causes this? I'm going to tear into the thing sometime mid week and try to figure out where it's coming from. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My guess is rear main seal, which is commonly blown out by a clogged PCV system. Very common, not an easy fix, but sometimes clearing the PCV system will slow the leak down to a level you can live with until you can afford to deal with it properly.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys! <p>altairr the odometer is currently reading 149059 and it works intermittently, so actual mileage must be fairly high. <p>Lloyd, The other night my car developed a "breathing" problem, it's rpms are fluctuating significantly at low speed I'm wondering if this might be further proof that the PCV system is clogged. IPD sells the entire system for under a 100 bucks, is that something that you normally just replace in it's entirety or piece by piece? When it comes to the rear main seal, where is this located? How expensive are we talking?
 

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A dealer or an Idny can read the ECU mileage for you.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>karlboonzaayer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Lloyd, The other night my car developed a "breathing" problem, it's rpms are fluctuating significantly at low speed I'm wondering if this might be further proof that the PCV system is clogged. IPD sells the entire system for under a 100 bucks, is that something that you normally just replace in it's entirety or piece by piece? When it comes to the rear main seal, where is this located? How expensive are we talking? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Fluctuating RPMs are probably not related to the PCV stuff, but someone else will know better. The PCV as far as I know is a box and a few hoses, so yeah you just replace all of it because it's a pain.<p>The rear main seal is located between the engine and transmission and is a very big job, one of those $12 part, $1200 labor kinds of jobs. Call around your local Volvo shops, they'll be able to quote it over the phone. But test and replace the PCV first and see if that makes the leak go away. Put a balloon or rubber glove on the dipstick hole and if it inflates, your pcv is clogged.
 

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Will Definitely call up the local Dealer and see what they can do then, thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>karlboonzaayer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will Definitely call up the local Dealer and see what they can do then, thanks! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its a 3 minute process. If they are nice they shouldn't charge you anything.
 

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Also, running Diagnostics today, we'll see what kind of codes this thing is throwing, and I'll put a ballon on dipstick sleeve tonight to see if there is any pressure there. I will update tomorrow with more specific info about whats going on! <br>Point taken on the rear main, I will definitely be replacing the PCV first if that will help! <p>Thanks again guys for all the responses!
 

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So ran diagnostics and it had a code for cylinder 1 misfiring. <br>I also tried putting a ballon on the dipstick, and like clockwork the thing inflated right away. <p>So known issues at this point...<br>1. All brakes need done (getting parts later today)<br>2. The PCV system needs replaced (will order from IDP)<br>3. The first cylinder needs addressed <br> - I'm not sure where to begin on this, would appreciate some feedback, has someone else had this happen? <br>4. I'm still uneasy about my turbo. <br> - How hard is it to replace a turbo yourself? How expensive for someone else to do it for you? Is there any way to know if it's toast or not?<p>Thanks again guys, I'll also let you know the real mileage when I have it. <br>
 

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Alright, Lots of parts on order including the new PCV system. <p>A Question though.<p>1. My first Cylinder is misfiring. Could it be, due to the clogged PCV system, that some oil has come in contact with the Spark plug and caused the misfire?
 

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Nah, ignition parts go bad all on their own. <p>Does '96 have coil packs? If not, give it a full ignition tune up - plugs, wires, cap and rotor. 99% probability that your misfire will go away.<p>If it's a coil pack car, I'd start by replacing the spark plugs, then if it persists, swap 2 of the coil packs and see if the misfire follows the coil pack to the new cylinder. If it does, replace the coil pack.<p>If it doesn't, that's when you start looking at other things.
 

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No 850 had coil packs...<br>Just replace the stuff mentioned.. Bougicord for the wires and Bosch for the others and just go with cheap Bosch copper core plugs gapped to 0.028 inches and you'll be set.
 

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Thanks for the advice guys! I'll be starting PCV, new cooling fan, ignition, and fluids changes tonight. For noob like me this might take awhile and I'm sure I'll have questions along the way.<br>Thanks again I'll try to update this post when I have new info.
 

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No smoke or sound from the Turbo that I know of, so maybe we're good there! However interesting story.....<p>Last night I started working on the PCV replacement. As I was taking off my spark plug cover I came across a stripped out screw (circled) and my well intentioned father, who was helping me out, decided to try to get it out. He got over the engine bay with a small torx bit and a ratchet and proceeded to drop the torx bit into the circled pipe opening (Turbo recirc maybe?). <br>- I'm wondering how bad that is? We tried to fish it out with a magnet, but to no avail. Where does that pipe go and how hard will it be to get that bit out? <br>Curious if anyone knows. <p>PS I'll be working on cleaning up that dirty engine bay! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3552764676" TARGET="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3552764676</A>/<p><br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by karlboonzaayer at 5:32 AM 5-25-2009</i>
 

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Fail at displaying images.<p>To display images you need to use the html code "xxxxxxx[img]". Replace the xxxxxx's with the hyperlink and you should be good. <p><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by 850arrrsaylikepirate at 12:41 PM 5-22-2009</i>
 

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I hope the photos work this time, but if not you can always follow the link to the flickr version, also I Got that bit out. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>PCV replacement is well under way now and I think I'm finally starting to understand this car. As I was taking out all the air piping I noticed that every pipe that was after the airbox had a good amount of oil in it. the reason for this was totally beyond me until I took off the PCV oil trap, and found that the (what I assume to be) oil drain off channel (lower of the two connections on the oil trap) was almost totally clogged. <br><IMG SRC="http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562038829" BORDER="0"> <p>My theory then is that oil was instead heading through the gas vent side of the oil trap directly into the Turbo which was then blowing it into the intake manifold, hence the oil in the air piping.<br>It also, I think, explains the grime that is baked onto almost every interior surface of my engine that I have encountered while doing this. <p> <IMG SRC="http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562040697/" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562037631/" BORDER="0"> <p>Do you guys think that the oil being dumped into the turbo would explain the lack of boost my car suffers from? There is alot of standing oil in the turbo itself. <p>Is there any way to get a replacement PTC valve? Should i just clean mine? <p>How bad is all that grime on the walls of the intake manifold, and could the build up on top of the far right cylinder valves be causing the misfire code? <p><A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562037631" TARGET="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562037631</A>/<br><A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562040697" TARGET="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562040697</A>/<br><A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562038829" TARGET="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/karlhb/3562038829</A>/<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by karlboonzaayer at 6:04 AM 5-25-2009</i>
 

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