Cool features I didn't expect to find on the S70 (lots of clever design and engineering that I didn't expect):<p>1. Cabin air filter (not very common on the typical sedan). Every car should have these!<p>2. Front seatbelt pre-tensioners (I was surprised, anyhow)<p>3. Rear passenger heater vents under the front seats (I just found out that S60s and S80s also have a/c vents in the B-pillar for the rear pax. Cool!) <p>Any others?<p>Other things I like:<p>4. Thick door panels with armrests inset into the door rather than thin door panels with the armrests sticking out (this also provides a wide flat arm rest at the window sill).<p>5. The bottom edge of the rear window extends under the trunk lid and avoids another panel edge. It does leave a big gap between the rear window and the trunk that fills with snow in winter, but I still like it.<p>glsable<br>p.s. Are Saabs equally clever or is this just a Volvo thing?
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Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (895meztz94)
I've had several Peugeots, Renaults, Fiats and VWs and I wouldn't call any of them clever (except perhaps X1/9). My Dad's old Citroen DS was clever, but the old Citroens were in their own world. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>glsable
I've had several Peugeots, Renaults, Fiats and VWs and I wouldn't call any of them clever (except perhaps X1/9). My Dad's old Citroen DS was clever, but the old Citroens were in their own world. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>glsable
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> My Dad's old Citroen DS was clever, but the old <B>Citroens were in</B> <B>their own world.</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Their own <B> GALAXY </B>they're so weird
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> My Dad's old Citroen DS was clever, but the old <B>Citroens were in</B> <B>their own world.</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Their own <B> GALAXY </B>they're so weird
Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (glsable)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cool features I didn't expect to find on the S70 (lots of clever design and engineering that I didn't expect):<p>1. Cabin air filter (not very common on the typical sedan). Every car should have these!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>True, still elective on most domestic makes, but standard on family cars and select trucks + SUVs from Japanese makes since the early '00s.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2. Front seatbelt pre-tensioners (I was surprised, anyhow)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Started appearing in GM and Ford cars and higher-level imports in the late '80s as the inertia reels were phased out. Now you can't buy a car <I>without </I>them.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3. Rear passenger heater vents under the front seats </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Commonplace on imports and most domestic cars back into the '80s. You'd have to get something <I>really </I>cheap nowadays for the car not to have them. <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">p.s. Are Saabs equally clever or is this just a Volvo thing?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Clever? Uh.... more like just keeping on par with everything else in the market. They're nothing extra.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cool features I didn't expect to find on the S70 (lots of clever design and engineering that I didn't expect):<p>1. Cabin air filter (not very common on the typical sedan). Every car should have these!</TD></TR></TABLE><br>True, still elective on most domestic makes, but standard on family cars and select trucks + SUVs from Japanese makes since the early '00s.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2. Front seatbelt pre-tensioners (I was surprised, anyhow)</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Started appearing in GM and Ford cars and higher-level imports in the late '80s as the inertia reels were phased out. Now you can't buy a car <I>without </I>them.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3. Rear passenger heater vents under the front seats </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Commonplace on imports and most domestic cars back into the '80s. You'd have to get something <I>really </I>cheap nowadays for the car not to have them. <p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">p.s. Are Saabs equally clever or is this just a Volvo thing?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Clever? Uh.... more like just keeping on par with everything else in the market. They're nothing extra.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (JayDub)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Cabin Air Filters] True, still elective on most domestic makes, but standard on family cars and select trucks + SUVs from Japanese makes since the early '00s.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ummm ... I admit I would have to go check the Japanese brands, but I would be surprised (except for the Infiniti and Lexus models). btw, 98 comes before the '00s, so ...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Seatbelt Pretensioners] Started appearing in GM and Ford cars and higher-level imports in the late '80s as the inertia reels were phased out. Now you can't buy a car <I>without </I>them.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pre-Tensioners in 1980s GMs and Fords? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Can't buy a car without them? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Perhaps you're thinking of seatbelt locking devices. Pre-tensioners actual tighten the belt (remove the slack) typically with pyrotechic devices. Mercedes (S-class) might have beaten Volvo to the punch on these, but I would need to check.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Rear Passenger Heater Vents] Commonplace on imports and most domestic cars back into the '80s. You'd have to get something <I>really </I>cheap nowadays for the car not to have them.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Really? What cars in the '80s had them, or name a few in the '90s? I'm curious.<p>glsable
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Cabin Air Filters] True, still elective on most domestic makes, but standard on family cars and select trucks + SUVs from Japanese makes since the early '00s.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ummm ... I admit I would have to go check the Japanese brands, but I would be surprised (except for the Infiniti and Lexus models). btw, 98 comes before the '00s, so ...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Seatbelt Pretensioners] Started appearing in GM and Ford cars and higher-level imports in the late '80s as the inertia reels were phased out. Now you can't buy a car <I>without </I>them.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pre-Tensioners in 1980s GMs and Fords? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Can't buy a car without them? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Perhaps you're thinking of seatbelt locking devices. Pre-tensioners actual tighten the belt (remove the slack) typically with pyrotechic devices. Mercedes (S-class) might have beaten Volvo to the punch on these, but I would need to check.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Rear Passenger Heater Vents] Commonplace on imports and most domestic cars back into the '80s. You'd have to get something <I>really </I>cheap nowadays for the car not to have them.</TD></TR></TABLE> <p>Really? What cars in the '80s had them, or name a few in the '90s? I'm curious.<p>glsable
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Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (glsable)
Volvo WAS slighly ahead of the curve on the belts but all the others were more or less common depending.<br>Caddys<br>Lincolns <br>I KNOW they had rear AC vents<br>7 series Bimmers may have, not sure
Volvo WAS slighly ahead of the curve on the belts but all the others were more or less common depending.<br>Caddys<br>Lincolns <br>I KNOW they had rear AC vents<br>7 series Bimmers may have, not sure
Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (glsable)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ummm ... I admit I would have to go check the Japanese brands, but I would be surprised (except for the Infiniti and Lexus models). btw, 98 comes before the '00s, so ...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Accord EX, EX-L, and EX-V6 models offered cabin air filters as an option dating back to 1995. Uplevel trim Camrys also offered them at the same time. Acrua 3.5RLs from the mid-late '90s, 3.2TLs in the mid-'90s and later-'90s Lexus LSs offered them as well. Toyota LandCruisers had them as an option from '96-on. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Pre-Tensioners in 1980s GMs and Fords? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Can't buy a car without them? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Perhaps you're thinking of seatbelt locking devices. Pre-tensioners actual tighten the belt (remove the slack) typically with pyrotechic devices. Mercedes (S-class) might have beaten Volvo to the punch on these, but I would need to check.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Pyrotechnic pretensioners debuted in the Mercedes S-Class around 1980 or '81 as I recall, which was the first in the industry. By '88, GM's fullsize C- H- and K- body cars (Olds 88, 98, Buick Park Ave and LeSabre, Caddy DeVille, etc.) and B-body Caddys had pretensioners. Ford began equipping Taurus's and Sables, Town Cars and Continentals with pretensioners in the early '90s. Today, medium duty trucks (over 8500 lb GVW) are about the only vehicles that don't have pretensioners on at least the outboard position belts, although selected ones do. Most luxury car models include pretensioners on <B>all </B>belted positions now. And no, I'm not confusing them with locking inertia reels.<p> <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Really? What cars in the '80s had them, or name a few in the '90s? I'm curious.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> '86-'91 Taurus/Sable, '92-'95 Taurus/Sable, everything made by Lincoln from '88-on, '92-on Crown Vic/Gr Marquis. Late-'80s Buick and Oldmobile C- and H-body cars. Early '90s-on Caddy Devilles. '90s models Caddy Fleetwoods. '87-'90 Honda Accords, '91-'93 Accords, '94-'97 Accords, all Accords built after '97. Late '80s to mid '90s Acura Legends and Vigors, 2.5 and 3.5 TLs and 3.5RLs from the mid-'90s. Early '90s-on Lexus ES and LS models. Nissan Maximas from about '89-on. Sterling 800 models. Early '90s Camrys and on. Early-mid '90s Chrysler Concordes. My '91 Peugeot 405. And that's all I can remember from experience, I'm sure there were others...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ummm ... I admit I would have to go check the Japanese brands, but I would be surprised (except for the Infiniti and Lexus models). btw, 98 comes before the '00s, so ...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Accord EX, EX-L, and EX-V6 models offered cabin air filters as an option dating back to 1995. Uplevel trim Camrys also offered them at the same time. Acrua 3.5RLs from the mid-late '90s, 3.2TLs in the mid-'90s and later-'90s Lexus LSs offered them as well. Toyota LandCruisers had them as an option from '96-on. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Pre-Tensioners in 1980s GMs and Fords? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Can't buy a car without them? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> Perhaps you're thinking of seatbelt locking devices. Pre-tensioners actual tighten the belt (remove the slack) typically with pyrotechic devices. Mercedes (S-class) might have beaten Volvo to the punch on these, but I would need to check.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Pyrotechnic pretensioners debuted in the Mercedes S-Class around 1980 or '81 as I recall, which was the first in the industry. By '88, GM's fullsize C- H- and K- body cars (Olds 88, 98, Buick Park Ave and LeSabre, Caddy DeVille, etc.) and B-body Caddys had pretensioners. Ford began equipping Taurus's and Sables, Town Cars and Continentals with pretensioners in the early '90s. Today, medium duty trucks (over 8500 lb GVW) are about the only vehicles that don't have pretensioners on at least the outboard position belts, although selected ones do. Most luxury car models include pretensioners on <B>all </B>belted positions now. And no, I'm not confusing them with locking inertia reels.<p> <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>glsable</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Really? What cars in the '80s had them, or name a few in the '90s? I'm curious.</TD></TR></TABLE><br> '86-'91 Taurus/Sable, '92-'95 Taurus/Sable, everything made by Lincoln from '88-on, '92-on Crown Vic/Gr Marquis. Late-'80s Buick and Oldmobile C- and H-body cars. Early '90s-on Caddy Devilles. '90s models Caddy Fleetwoods. '87-'90 Honda Accords, '91-'93 Accords, '94-'97 Accords, all Accords built after '97. Late '80s to mid '90s Acura Legends and Vigors, 2.5 and 3.5 TLs and 3.5RLs from the mid-'90s. Early '90s-on Lexus ES and LS models. Nissan Maximas from about '89-on. Sterling 800 models. Early '90s Camrys and on. Early-mid '90s Chrysler Concordes. My '91 Peugeot 405. And that's all I can remember from experience, I'm sure there were others...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ford began equipping Taurus's and Sables ... with pretensioners in the early '90s. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I started with the Taurus /Sable and (from details on CarsDirect.com) the Taurus got pre-tensioners in the <U>2000</U> model year. That's not the '80s, as you first said, or early '90s as you said later. And I found an Oct 2001 Press Relase from GM that "some" of their 2001 cars had pyrotechnic pretensioners (some in marketing-speak means not many), so I may out of curiosity go back to verify details of the GM models. btw, I did find that some websites listed seatbelt lockers as "mechanical pretensioners", that might confuse the issue. Anyhow, I am willing to admit that a lot more of the current models, of all sizes and prices, have them than I thought! However, my original statement was that I was impressed that the the S70 had them in 1998, and I still am.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Rear Pax Heater Vents] '86-'91 Taurus/Sable, '92-'95 Taurus/Sable, everything made by Lincoln from '88-on ... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmmmm ... I wish I still had my '93 Taurus/Sable here to double-check, but I don't recall there being any heater vents under the front seats (that space was jammed full of power seat motors).<br>glsable
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ford began equipping Taurus's and Sables ... with pretensioners in the early '90s. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I started with the Taurus /Sable and (from details on CarsDirect.com) the Taurus got pre-tensioners in the <U>2000</U> model year. That's not the '80s, as you first said, or early '90s as you said later. And I found an Oct 2001 Press Relase from GM that "some" of their 2001 cars had pyrotechnic pretensioners (some in marketing-speak means not many), so I may out of curiosity go back to verify details of the GM models. btw, I did find that some websites listed seatbelt lockers as "mechanical pretensioners", that might confuse the issue. Anyhow, I am willing to admit that a lot more of the current models, of all sizes and prices, have them than I thought! However, my original statement was that I was impressed that the the S70 had them in 1998, and I still am.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> [Rear Pax Heater Vents] '86-'91 Taurus/Sable, '92-'95 Taurus/Sable, everything made by Lincoln from '88-on ... </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hmmmm ... I wish I still had my '93 Taurus/Sable here to double-check, but I don't recall there being any heater vents under the front seats (that space was jammed full of power seat motors).<br>glsable
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Pyrotechnic pretensioners ... By '88, GM's fullsize C- H- and K- body cars (Olds 88, 98, Buick Park Ave and LeSabre, Caddy DeVille, etc.) and B-body Caddys had pretensioners.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looking quickly at the Caddy DeVille. The CarsDirect data only goes back to 1992. According to this no pretensioners until 2000. Maybe they were optional and not listed here?<p>The B-Body went out of production after 1996.<br>glsable<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by glsable at 9:14 PM 8-22-2008</i>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JayDub</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Pyrotechnic pretensioners ... By '88, GM's fullsize C- H- and K- body cars (Olds 88, 98, Buick Park Ave and LeSabre, Caddy DeVille, etc.) and B-body Caddys had pretensioners.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looking quickly at the Caddy DeVille. The CarsDirect data only goes back to 1992. According to this no pretensioners until 2000. Maybe they were optional and not listed here?<p>The B-Body went out of production after 1996.<br>glsable<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by glsable at 9:14 PM 8-22-2008</i>
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(Features I Didn't Expect To Find)<p>6. Ongoing "Headaches"<p>Let's be "real". IMO, these cars do have a timeless beauty, and they<I> can </I>be modded to run with some of today's best. Still, if you are a true, long-term owner, you can't overlook the "headaches" that come with the 'pride of ownership'. <p>You may "love" them after you have just spanked a supposed, turn-key performance car, but you "hate" them when something else just broke, or when your mechanic "friend" hands you <I>another</I> $800 repair bill.<p>BTW, with all this talk about their "ahead of their time" seatbelts, a word of advice: Take extra care when releasing your "futuristic" seatbelt. The front belts just went bad (got stuck/tangled - whatever! beyond repair) on both of my S70's, and replacing these 'high tec' belts is not cheap!<p>My '82 244 may not have "pre-tensioners", but at least, after 26 years, the belts still work!<br>
(Features I Didn't Expect To Find)<p>6. Ongoing "Headaches"<p>Let's be "real". IMO, these cars do have a timeless beauty, and they<I> can </I>be modded to run with some of today's best. Still, if you are a true, long-term owner, you can't overlook the "headaches" that come with the 'pride of ownership'. <p>You may "love" them after you have just spanked a supposed, turn-key performance car, but you "hate" them when something else just broke, or when your mechanic "friend" hands you <I>another</I> $800 repair bill.<p>BTW, with all this talk about their "ahead of their time" seatbelts, a word of advice: Take extra care when releasing your "futuristic" seatbelt. The front belts just went bad (got stuck/tangled - whatever! beyond repair) on both of my S70's, and replacing these 'high tec' belts is not cheap!<p>My '82 244 may not have "pre-tensioners", but at least, after 26 years, the belts still work!<br>
Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (Taleof2Bricks2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Taleof2Bricks2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(Features I Didn't Expect To Find)<p>6. Ongoing "Headaches"<p><B>Let's be "real". IMO, these cars do have a timeless beauty, and they<I> can </I>be modded to run with some of today's best. Still, if you are a true, long-term owner, you can't overlook the "headaches" that come with the 'pride of ownership'. </B><p>You may "love" them after you have just spanked a supposed, turn-key performance car, but you "hate" them when something else just broke, or when your mechanic "friend" hands you <I>another</I> $800 repair bill.<p>BTW, with all this talk about their "ahead of their time" seatbelts, a word of advice: Take extra care when releasing your "futuristic" seatbelt. The front belts just went bad (got stuck/tangled - whatever! beyond repair) on both of my S70's, and replacing these 'high tec' belts is not cheap!<p>My '82 244 may not have "pre-tensioners", but at least, after 26 years, the belts still work!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>says who? yeah the repair bills may be expensive, but if you're smart and knowledgeable about these cars, you can find the parts at a very affordable price. for example, i had to replace my axle a few months ago. the indie shop round here wanted about 400 bucks to install a brand new one. i said screw that and bought a brand new(not reman'ed) axle for 90 bucks, no core charge, and had a local shop install it for a little less than 60 bucks.<p>now i know that there are larger problems that must be fixed by the dealership if there is nobody else around that can do it for any cheaper.... but things like the PCV, which is several hundred bucks, stay on top of your oil changes meticulously (aka change the oil every 3k miles) and you shouldn't develop any blockages. basically what i'm trying to say is, if you stay on top of maintenance on these cars, they will run practically forever. i'm at 119k and still running strong on my s70, and i hope to keep it in tip top shape for the life of the car, meaning i am NOT planning on getting rid of this thing anytime soon. i do not see these repairs as headaches, only things spent towards the car to improve the condition that it was previously in. volvos do mean a LOT to me, sentimentally and physically, and i plan on keeping this car for many years to come, regardless of how many "headaches" i encounter.<p><br>/rant<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Taleof2Bricks2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(Features I Didn't Expect To Find)<p>6. Ongoing "Headaches"<p><B>Let's be "real". IMO, these cars do have a timeless beauty, and they<I> can </I>be modded to run with some of today's best. Still, if you are a true, long-term owner, you can't overlook the "headaches" that come with the 'pride of ownership'. </B><p>You may "love" them after you have just spanked a supposed, turn-key performance car, but you "hate" them when something else just broke, or when your mechanic "friend" hands you <I>another</I> $800 repair bill.<p>BTW, with all this talk about their "ahead of their time" seatbelts, a word of advice: Take extra care when releasing your "futuristic" seatbelt. The front belts just went bad (got stuck/tangled - whatever! beyond repair) on both of my S70's, and replacing these 'high tec' belts is not cheap!<p>My '82 244 may not have "pre-tensioners", but at least, after 26 years, the belts still work!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>says who? yeah the repair bills may be expensive, but if you're smart and knowledgeable about these cars, you can find the parts at a very affordable price. for example, i had to replace my axle a few months ago. the indie shop round here wanted about 400 bucks to install a brand new one. i said screw that and bought a brand new(not reman'ed) axle for 90 bucks, no core charge, and had a local shop install it for a little less than 60 bucks.<p>now i know that there are larger problems that must be fixed by the dealership if there is nobody else around that can do it for any cheaper.... but things like the PCV, which is several hundred bucks, stay on top of your oil changes meticulously (aka change the oil every 3k miles) and you shouldn't develop any blockages. basically what i'm trying to say is, if you stay on top of maintenance on these cars, they will run practically forever. i'm at 119k and still running strong on my s70, and i hope to keep it in tip top shape for the life of the car, meaning i am NOT planning on getting rid of this thing anytime soon. i do not see these repairs as headaches, only things spent towards the car to improve the condition that it was previously in. volvos do mean a LOT to me, sentimentally and physically, and i plan on keeping this car for many years to come, regardless of how many "headaches" i encounter.<p><br>/rant<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
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Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (t5p0wer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>t5p0wer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>...<B>if you're smart and knowledgeable</B>...i had to replace... i said screw that... i know that there are larger problems... basically what i'm trying to say is.... i'm at 119k...and i hope...i am NOT ... i do not see ...i plan...regardless of how many "headaches" i encounter.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Rare attributes, indeed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>t5p0wer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>...<B>if you're smart and knowledgeable</B>...i had to replace... i said screw that... i know that there are larger problems... basically what i'm trying to say is.... i'm at 119k...and i hope...i am NOT ... i do not see ...i plan...regardless of how many "headaches" i encounter.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Rare attributes, indeed. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
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Re: Features I Didn't Expect To Find (t5p0wer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>t5p0wer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>but things like the PCV, which is several hundred bucks, stay on top of your oil changes meticulously<B> (aka change the oil every 3k miles</B>) and you shouldn't develop any blockages. basically what i'm trying to say is, if you stay on top of maintenance on these cars, they will run practically forever. <p> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Unfortuately<B> MOST</B> 1st (and 2nd) owners <B>did NOT do this </B>and now the majority of these cars have over 100k miles and they are developing BIG ($$$$)!<br>problems which is why, for the most part, I can't find any nice ones to sell anymore.<br>The last two years and 30-40K miles have taken their toll on these cars
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>t5p0wer</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>but things like the PCV, which is several hundred bucks, stay on top of your oil changes meticulously<B> (aka change the oil every 3k miles</B>) and you shouldn't develop any blockages. basically what i'm trying to say is, if you stay on top of maintenance on these cars, they will run practically forever. <p> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Unfortuately<B> MOST</B> 1st (and 2nd) owners <B>did NOT do this </B>and now the majority of these cars have over 100k miles and they are developing BIG ($$$$)!<br>problems which is why, for the most part, I can't find any nice ones to sell anymore.<br>The last two years and 30-40K miles have taken their toll on these cars
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