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Okay, maybe not, but let me ask you this. Should an S60R with, oh, say EST cai and ehhhh, maybe an Evolve Blue Upper Engine Mount Bushing pull on a new BMW M3 convertible starting from 70mph? I ask because I, uhhh, had a dream that about 20 minutes ago, that exact thing happened. In my dream, this guy in a beautiful black on silver M3 was in front of me after I gunned it to catch up to him. He changed lanes and downshifted, and I did the same, and by the middle of 5th gear, I had picked up 3 to 4 lengths on him! The thing is, the dream felt so real! If this dream had been true, however, I would have to think, since I have never put anything but unmixxed 93 octane in my tank, that my car is on something the Olympics tests for, because that just seems quick. Now I really want to get on a dyno, because my "Factory Freak" suspicions are really getting stronger. Zigger... I'm your friend out here! hehe<p>Let me know if, assuming my dream was totally accurate, it sounds like my car might be a little quicker than normal, or if that sounds about right for an R<p>Note: <br>1) I ran a nice time at the drag strip, but I thought that could just be because I launched so hard. <br>2)I'd say the fact that it was a convertible slowed it down, but weight is much less important on the highway.<br>3) Spent some time in an M3 forum to discover that the general concensus is that 6m and SMG are equal... maybe a slight advantage to 6m on the launch, but that's it.
 

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*sigh*....congrats <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"><p>btw, what time did you run at the dragstrip?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*sigh*....congrats <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"><p>btw, what time did you run at the dragstrip?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>13.70, can't remember speed... just under 103 I think<p><br>btw... thanks for the congrats, but that's not really what I posted about... again, I really wanna know If my cars unusually fast.. I posted as a basis for comparison. Don't need to show off in here, my car's slow in comparison to most in here.
 

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im going to have to say.....nope<p>keep in mind that racing someone on the from 70 up to xx is completely different from a standing start. on the highway, turbo cars have the obvious advantage.<p>13.7 good job! there was another member who managed a 13.6 on a stock setup.<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>phuz</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> there was another member who managed a 13.6 on a stock setup.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>IIRC it is Rangeball... with the slip to prove it too.
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (JOSBRO)

not to steal your uhhh, "dreamy" thunder, but isn't it possible that the M3 in your dream wasn't giving it his all...perhaps didn't want to thrash his brand new baby that wasn't broken in yet?
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (kenschel)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not to steal your uhhh, "dreamy" thunder, but isn't it possible that the M3 in your dream wasn't giving it his all...perhaps didn't want to thrash his brand new baby that wasn't broken in yet?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Who races to almost 140 mph half a$$ed? I don't know anyone who would allow someone to walk on them through 2 gears... if they didn't want to push the car, onced the other guy started to pull, he'd let off completely. If it were a tie, or he pulled slightly, or I blew him away, I'd say maybe, but it was a steady, consistant pull. Can't see it. (Permanent plates, too) +25 degrees and <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> One thing I will say is that M3's fluctuate from the factory just like R's do... there is probably another M3 out there just like the one I r-, uhh, dreamt about that would have pulled on me... little engines with big power are like a box of chocolates.... holy cliche <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yea, I saw rangeball's time... very impressive! Never was serious about the fastest stock R thing, but I'm becomming fairly confident this thing is pretty quick for having a stock ECU. I saw Zigger's video, and his car did something it just isn't "supposed" to do.
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (kenschel)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not to steal your uhhh, "dreamy" thunder, but isn't it possible that the M3 in your dream wasn't giving it his all...perhaps didn't want to thrash his brand new baby that wasn't broken in yet?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think it's more than possible that M3 convertibles carry a bit more weight which makes it a close race. Most of the mags claim 0-60 of around 5.1-5.4 with the quarter around 13.5-13.7. Therefore, the Phuz turbo advantage may be at work here. An M3 coupe.......dream on my boy.<p>Personally, I think the difference was the mega horsepower producing blue Evolve engine mount. Throw in a moose or two and bring on the Corvette Z06. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who races to almost 140 mph half a$$ed?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, anyone who street races...let alone at 140mph on a public road <B>IS</B> an A$$.<br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by MagoonR at 9:36 PM 6-14-2006</i>
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Personally, I think the difference was the mega horsepower producing blue Evolve engine mount. </i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>phhhh... YEA, obviously! oooo, I forgot to mention the "turbo" badge on the back... duh <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>(that's kinda the point... I'm nearly mod-less)<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, anyone who street races...let alone at 140mph on a public road <B>IS</B> an A$$.</i></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yea, seriously... can't believe anyone would do that. Only in my dreams.<p><br>Just seems like the weight disadvantage of the rag top would be downplayed quite a bit at speed. I mean, I'm pretty sure the time difference coupe to conv. in the 1/4 is barely any more at all than the time gap b/t the two from 0-60 (tough to put into words, I hope you got that)... coupe is MUCH faster than drop top off the line, but after third, does it matter that much? Don't get me wrong, I'd be completely unsurprised to have another dream in which I lost to a coupe, OR a convert. for that matter. Like I said before, I feel like I have a pretty quick one in comparison to some of the stories I heard and times I've seen published, and maybe I caught a slow M3, who knows? I just don't think it's a given that the R should be compared to the 330 instead of the M3 just because the M3 is faster. R might not dethrone the M3, but it certainly is in the same league, and for the price of a 330!
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally, I think the difference was the mega horsepower producing blue Evolve engine mount. Throw in a moose or two and bring on the Corvette Z06. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm trying to decide on which moose to get. Does anyone have before-and-after dyno results on moose badges? Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (JOSBRO)

I don't know, from my experiance on the race track. The R doesn't stand a chance against an M3 if the driver is competant. The R will hold its own against an E36 M3 on the track but not an E46. And that against an R with mods. I'm talking road course not drag racing but the M3 still pulls away on the straights.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>Just seems like the weight disadvantage of the rag top would be downplayed quite a bit at speed. I mean, I'm pretty sure the time difference coupe to conv. in the 1/4 is barely any more at all than the time gap b/t the two from 0-60 (tough to put into words, I hope you got that)... coupe is MUCH faster than drop top off the line, but after third, does it matter that much? Don't get me wrong, I'd be completely unsurprised to have another dream in which I lost to a coupe, OR a convert. for that matter. Like I said before, I feel like I have a pretty quick one in comparison to some of the stories I heard and times I've seen published, and maybe I caught a slow M3, who knows? I just don't think it's a given that the R should be compared to the 330 instead of the M3 just because the M3 is faster. R might not dethrone the M3, but it certainly is in the same league, and for the price of a 330!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe a convertible with the rag down has much more wind resistance than the coupe and therefore it would have a bigger disadvantage at speed. Did the one on your dream have the top down?<p>And certainly the R is much faster than the 330i at a similar price, but also slower than the M3, the M5, the Z06, the WRI, and a lot more cars, but who cares if your not about to buy a new car? <p>After all the mods I have made to my car, I love it, love the turbo pull, love it´s character and how it drives I think I would only consider another R or maybe some other turbo car. It´s a shame the new 3 series is soo ugly because that new twin turbo 3.0 L engine sounds great.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">phhhh... YEA, obviously! oooo, I forgot to mention the "turbo" badge on the back... duh <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>(that's kinda the point... I'm nearly mod-less)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Mentioning an engine mount while claiming a race is like me claiming moose magnets. It does nothing so why mention it?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea, seriously... can't believe anyone would do that. Only in my dreams.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hopefully there were no other cars on the road in your dreams. <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just seems like the weight disadvantage of the rag top would be downplayed quite a bit at speed.</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> You still need to generate power to move the weight. It doesn't just magically go away once rolling.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I mean, I'm pretty sure the time difference coupe to conv. in the 1/4 is barely any more at all than the time gap b/t the two from 0-60 (tough to put into words, I hope you got that)... coupe is MUCH faster than drop top off the line, but after third, does it matter that much?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So 1/2 second is not that big of a deal? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just don't think it's a given that the R should be compared to the 330 instead of the M3 just because the M3 is faster. R might not dethrone the M3, but it certainly is in the same league, and for the price of a 330!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>As many have said numerous times, the R is 9/10 the M3 at 8/10 the price. Accept it. Deal with it. Get over it already. This need to benchmark is getting old already.<p>The new 335 will be the direct R competitor from a performance standpoint and probably not that much more expensive in the sticker price. Of course, Volvo will continue to discount the R heavily to move it and BMW will have no need to do that.
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (JOSBRO)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JOSBRO</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who races to almost 140 mph half a$$ed? I don't know anyone who would allow someone to walk on them through 2 gears... if they didn't want to push the car, onced the other guy started to pull, he'd let off completely. If it were a tie, or he pulled slightly, or I blew him away, I'd say maybe, but it was a steady, consistant pull. Can't see it. (Permanent plates, too) +25 degrees and <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> One thing I will say is that M3's fluctuate from the factory just like R's do... there is probably another M3 out there just like the one I r-, uhh, dreamt about that would have pulled on me... little engines with big power are like a box of chocolates.... holy cliche <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yea, I saw rangeball's time... very impressive! Never was serious about the fastest stock R thing, but I'm becomming fairly confident this thing is pretty quick for having a stock ECU. I saw Zigger's video, and his car did something it just isn't "supposed" to do.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>hmm, I didn't see that you said you got to 140mph in your original post...in your dream of course. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> You're probably right...just a really quick R.
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (MagoonR)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MagoonR</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>As many have said numerous times, the R is 9/10 the M3 at 8/10 the price. Accept it. Deal with it. Get over it already. This need to benchmark is getting old already.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>for some guys benchmarking happens every time they go the urinal <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Fastest stock R ever? I think yes. (kenschel)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>kenschel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for some guys benchmarking happens every time they go the urinal <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>And that's why M3 envy is the R owner equivalent for those who suffer from p$nis envy.
 

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so many losers on this forum it's pathetic. Josbro good JOB man. You prob have a factory freek but yeah the vert is abit heavier and it doesn't surprise me that you walked a M3 . Nw 3-4 car lengths is abit much to be honest but anything can happen on the streets and in dreams.. I constantly pull my partners M3 smg fron any speeds but no more than 2 car lengths. Good job man..M3's are not as fast as people think they are but they are the perfect package.. awesome top end, amazing on the track and beautiful.. if that makes me M3/weiner schnitzel envy than you can all BITE me
 

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zig!<p>what all mods are you running up to this point?!<p>and wtf is your rating at 70%?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>zigger</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... Good job man..M3's are not as fast as people think they are but they are the perfect package.. awesome top end, amazing on the track and beautiful.. if that makes me M3/weiner schnitzel envy than you can all BITE me</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Perfect package if you like the beemer-stigma and skidding your arss-end around once the roads get cold and snow falls, that is.<p>If beemer drivers eat weiner schnitzel what do Volvo drivers eat? Meatballs?<p>LTA<br>
 

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I'm just cerious...<p>Is there a mirror image of this topic at the Bemmer site. Are there M3 drivers having dreams about the Volvo S60 R drivers?
 
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