[Needsdecaf]

Well, Bernie has managed to foul things up any further.

New system is that the overall Driver's champ will be awarded based not on points but number of wins.

Number of points would be used as a tiebreaker. Therefore, the overall champ could have more wins but fewer points than the next runner up.

The rest of the order will be decided by points.

Driver's don't like. Neither do I. What's the matter, Bernie, mad that your beloved Ferrari driver Massa didn't get the win?

http://formula-one.speedtv.com...ystem/

Now I feel for Massa, I feel like he was the overall best driver last year. Perhaps he had the best car, or perhaps he just was the best driver. But this is just silly. A week before the first race the whole system is changed?

Bernie, you suck. http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif

 

[JRL]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (Needsdecaf)

He continues to screw it up.

Perhaps another 2 to 5 points for a win (should be more like 2 under their small (low) point system, but to give a driver's title to a driver who scores more wins but has less points than #2 doesn't make sense!

This goes against every single race series, past or current.....

 

[thesternowl]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (JRL)

Quote, originally posted by JRL »

He continues to screw it up. Perhaps another 2 to 5 points for a win (should be more like 2 under their small (low) point system, but to give a driver's title to a driver who scores more wins but has less points than #2 doesn't make sense! This goes against every single race series, past or current.....

I completely agree. They should just go back to the "old" system where the winner of the race receives two more points than second.

I have not met a person in recent memory that thought Bernie was a good steward for F1. The FOTA should just leave him and when he's no longer in the picture, they can re-consider joining F1.

 

[Needsdecaf]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (thesternowl)

Quote, originally posted by thesternowl »

I completely agree. They should just go back to the "old" system where the winner of the race receives two more points than second. I have not met a person in recent memory that thought Bernie was a good steward for F1. The FOTA should just leave him and when he's no longer in the picture, they can re-consider joining F1.

Well, I think he was at some point. Look where F1 is today! However he has become really ridiculous recently. Charging outrageous fees to host sites, abandoning traditional venues, etc.

 

[850arrrsaylikepirate]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (Needsdecaf)

Didn't they change the number of points between 1st and 2nd because Schumi was winning too much?

They should go back to that scoring so it makes winning the GP more valuable, but having 1st or nothing is silly!!

 

[POWERSTROKE]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (850arrrsaylikepirate)

This REALLY flys in the face of what auto racing SHOULD be. A test of CONSISTENCY. Over the whole season. Someone could win 3-4 races and DNF ALL the rest and be Champion?

I could see Bernie making an adjustment on the point spread between a Win and second place but He with the Most Points should still be the Champion.

ANYHOW, The rest of the World will watch with great fanfare while most in the US will not even be aware of F1 due to the "Made for TV motorized mayhem" called NASCAR

 

[thesternowl]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (850arrrsaylikepirate)

Quote, originally posted by 850arrrsaylikepirate »

Didn't they change the number of points between 1st and 2nd because Schumi was winning too much? They should go back to that scoring so it makes winning the GP more valuable, but having 1st or nothing is silly!!

Yes. There used to be a 4 point differential between 1st and 2nd (1st getting 10 points and 2nd getting 6 points); that's the way it should be now and should have been all along...that and maybe a bonus point for earning pole position.

It never ceases to amaze me how obtuse Bernie has become.

 

[JoeLvo]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (thesternowl)

In all fairness, it's pretty clear that the knee-jerk reaction to Schumi's dominance is very similar to "the Jordan rules" (in an inverse way) or the "hack=a=shack" (also in an inverse realtionship). The reason it's a stupid thing to do, imo, is that this was a rare occurrance of a driver so utterly un-matched in the history of F1 that Bernie should have had the forsight to see the significance of his ability, and understood that once he retired things would get back to normal.

Now, the 2 point spread between 1 and 2 is way too small. I think the 6 point spread was perfect. Having a title decided on race wins is plain wrong. I read an article where the championship differences were outlined should all past championships be decided based on wins, and to say the least, there were lots of fairly obvious also-rans who would have been champs.

 

[John2x240]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (JoeLvo)

Well just to stir things up a bit, this is what I posted on a similar thread on my home club's board:

Quote »

So, then, it looks to me that you have to have the consistently fastest car/driver combination to win the Driver's Championship, which means that there'll be no more sandbagging for points to build 'em up over the season? I dunno, but isn't racing about at least trying to win even if you don't on a particular occasion? I've always liked Stirling Moss's philosophy ... no matter how far behind he got in any race he always tried his best to win because he felt he owed this to the paying customers, the race fans. Maybe now we'll get some drivers who will always put it all on the line for the fans ... just as he did ... and, BTW, Gilles V!

 

[thesternowl]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (John2x240)

John2x240,

I understand your desires and frankly, I think we all want the same thing; that is to see these guys driving for the win every time they get behind the wheel. So in that respect, I understand the ultimate goal of the system that Bernie proposed (which incidentally has already been shelved until 2010 at the earliest; http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he...shtml).

But Bernie's proposed-and-now-postponed system is flawed for two reasons:

1. It gives too great an emphasis on the race winner.

2. It nearly completely leaves out an equally essential component of racing which is consistency

And the current system (only a 2 point differential between 1st and 2nd) is flawed for the opposite reasons plus:

1. It gives too little emphasis on the race winner.

2. It places too great an emphasis on consistency which makes the drivers too complacent with their position.

3. It makes points less valuable because it's easier to get them than the pre-Schumacher system

Which is why this leads me back to the conclusion that the pre-Shumacher era of 10 points for the race winner, 6 points for 2nd place, 4 points for 3rd and so on is ultimately the system that should be in place now and should have been all along.

1. It means that winning the race gives the drivers a significant advantage and therefore encourages additional effort to go for the win instead of settle for what's safe all the time.

2. Makes any point more valuable (since only the top six are scoring now) and therefore rewards those who are also consistent throughout the season.

 

[JARMO]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (Needsdecaf)

Quote, originally posted by Needsdecaf »

F1 Title to be decided on number of wins

Not this season, they just dropped that rediculas statement (would be something for next year

).
I wished it was already next weekend so race-season has started.

 

[850arrrsaylikepirate]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (JARMO)

Quote, originally posted by JARMO »

...(would be something for next year ). I wished it was already next weekend so race-season has started.

According to Bernie it WILL be in place for next year, no if ands or buts.

I too can't wait for F1 to start. My Tivo is already set!

 

[JARMO]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (850arrrsaylikepirate)

Quote, originally posted by 850arrrsaylikepirate »

I too can't wait for F1 to start. My Tivo is already set!

3 times sleeping (could be 2 if i make a long night as the ones like the Japanese GP before) ... I am ready .... hate/love to see old commercials just to get me ready/busy
http://wm.streaming.shell.com/...1.wmv
or the one with the greatest sound:
http://wm.streaming.shell.com/...1.wmv
this one i just saw and like 2
http://wm.streaming.shell.com/...5.wmv

Modified by JARMO at 1:11 AM 3-27-2009

 

[850arrrsaylikepirate]

Re: F1 Title to be decided on number of wins (JARMO)

Thank you for those, that second clip was SWEET!