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I had the Evolve sway bars installed for a week and started to notice a creaking and a groaning sound (even when wife not in the car!)<p>I put the car up on a hoist and noticed that the front sway bar can move transversly by about 20mm before the lugs on the bar stop it from continuing. You would not think this a great problem except for eventual wear and tear on the bushes, except the outer most movement allows the end of the sway bar to rub on the lower suspension arm and gouge a 5mm groove in it after only one week (how deep would it go if left for longer than a week.) <p>Not a good thing to have a cast metal (?) main suspension arm have a weak point such as this developing.<p>It also seriously rubs on one of the other engine parts mounting bracket which has grooved the sway bar over a 20mm range well down through the powder coating and into the sway bar metal. <p>The rear sway bar has no lugs to prevent sideways movement. It has moved 25mm and was also rubbing on one of the sensor arms (sorry not sure what it is).<p>My mechanic says the solution is easy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> : remove sway bars ; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> grind off old lugs and weld new lugs to correct potion on front bars; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> weld lugs on rear bars; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> get bars re powder coated; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> correct the mounting bracket conflict ; <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> reinstall sway bars. Should only be about 1 to 2 days work <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Is there a problem with the solution of preventing the bar moving transversly? (the stock sways seemed glued to the bushes)<p>Not sure why the front lugs are not correct? Maybe to enable a fit on all model years? Mine is 2005 MT.<p>Anyone else with this problem? if not - have you checked??????????<p>All this aside, awesome improvement in handling - at last tending towards oversteer and constant cornering.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (LOTR)

There sure is, <B>buy ipd bars!</B><br>Unless you did something wrong during the install
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (JRL)

Evolve's reputation isn't looking so good lately. Between this story, the last rusty sway bar end-link story, the vibrating brake rotors, or the poorly made exhausts. I can't say that they are on my list to get business. Not to mention their ever worsening reputation for poor customer service....Just my thoughts as a fly on the wall......I hope they are listening. We are.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (JAGMAN)

I wish I would have bought IPD bars, but I have the Evolve ones as well. For the rear use use hose clamps against the swaybar mounts to keep it from moving. That's what the dealer did to keep it from sliding side to side.<p>Denny
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (LOTR)

First of all, have you contacted Evolve about this situation? Secondly, there is some lubricant that suppose to be used with the sways to eliminate the creaking, groaning sound. And third, I do have the same situation as you in regards to the sways moving side to side and my dealer has supposedly sent pictures to Evolve. I have had a ton of Evolve stuff installed on my car. Sometimes issues arise (yes, they can be frustrating) and I just let them know what is going on and I have given them the time to allow them to resolve those issues. I haven't resorted to using the forum to help me get the issues resolved because people jump to conclusions all to readily. I rather have a few aftermarket tuners around for our cars so at least we have a choice when it comes to aftermarket parts. <p>WRT the sways and lowering springs, they make the ride much more fun and with my 19" H5 wheels, it really isn't bad in comfort, sport, or advanced mode either.
 

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I was having problems with the Evolve sway bars also. The front sway bar had to have the ends grinded off. The right side was eating into the control arm. Luckly I cought it in time.<p>Kirb...what lubricant are refering to? Have the creacking noise and I'm trying to narrow it down to the bars or Evolve Springs. It's driving me crazy. Espeacially since a lot of people take notice of the car only to hear rattling and creaking down the road.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (Kirb)

I agree with you. I too want to have more vendors to choose from than fewer. Sometimes I just get frustrated that the simple things like making the sway bar not move side to side don't get figured out during design. I guess my point was that if mistakes like these continue, we will end up with fewer choices rather than more, as people get disgruntled and don't by brand x products anymore and company's disappear.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (Kirb)

I talked to Don at Evolve and the fix he suggested was the same as my mechanic. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> No other suggestions. I might try hose clamp idea? seems dodgy though.<p>I believe the forum is for discussion such as this. <p>Thanks for responses fellas.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (Kirb)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Kirb</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I haven't resorted to using the forum to help me get the issues resolved because people jump to conclusions all to readily.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, you have had problems with products from a company but not let other forum members know, so they could make a more informed decision as a consumer? <p>This is so funny, I got an e-mail form Keith last night asking why I was "hostile" towards Evolve. Evidently pointing out things like: <p>- How loud original exhaust was<br>- Russ had to take his Evolve springs off because the drop was more than advertised 1"<br>- Someone's Evolve swaybar cracked due to poor hollow design at stress points<br>- In Rolling comparison, Evolve ECU only showed 10hp gain<br>- Evolve is only company that attacks other vendors as being "unsafe", not just content to focus on positive aspects of their products.<br>- Doug has had nothing but nightmares and spent $$$ trying to get his Evolve exhaust to fit<br>- Frank has an Evolve exhaust that doesn't fit right<br>- R_Rated's DP didn't fit<br>- Jesse's rear Evolve rotors did not work with parking brake, had to have dealer custom modify them.<br>- Denny' issues (and a bunch of other peoples evidently) problems with getting the sway bars and end-links to fit<br>- They quoted me a discount on a set of wheels on the phone, and when I tried to buy them, refused to answer my e-mails or return my phone calls. (25% off of $399 is $299, not $349 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> ).<br>- Despite having cross-drilled rotors on all their show-cars, posts a "dangers of cross-drilling" article on their web-site the same time Svenske starts selling cross drilled rotors (they had just released their slotted rotors). <br>- Evolve signed 12 people up for a $299 Air Management System (pre-buy discount off of $399) claiming it would provide 9 hp, when they either had not even designed anything at all, let alone done testing to validate a performance claim. Then, boycotted their own thread when people started asking questions (how dare you question Evolve evidently). <p>is being hostile. <p>And yet, when someone dares post a problem with an Evolve product, they get questioned about it not being prudent to mention it publicly. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>That is the whole point of this forum IMO, to share information. Look how many people have piped up with same problems on the sway bars Kirb. Do you think if more people had been posting about sway bar issues all along it would have forced Evolve to fix them before they sold more of them to people? Or at least given potential buyers pause and caused them to look at other options? <p>I'm sorry, but after the Svenske nightmare, I don't think anyone should hesitate to post if they have issues with a product, as long as they are honest. If vendor takes care of situation, then make sure you post about that. In fact, we can all learn a lot about a vendor from how they handle a customer complaint/issue. <p>IPD won me over with their response to TME spring noise issue, even though it most likely wasn't a problem with the springs at all, but the dealer's poor install. George at ViVA has been very cool with his customer response to me and to others here. Parts for Volvos Online has been awesome with me, even when it was my issue not theirs. Heico had that brilliant post and response when a question about their Volutions came up. <p>Anyways, I'm rambling like usual, but thanks for sharing with the board LOTR. I hope your situation get resolved to your satisfaction.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern ("R" Kelly)

Wow! I didn't realize that so many people have had issues with Evolve products. We see posts here and there but when you add them all up like you did, that's a boatload of people voicing their concerns about the same products.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern ("R" Kelly)

Kelly and all, I'm still having issues with my Evolve rotors, but I'm not confident that Evolve would resolve them after a year.<p>First, my park brake issue. I finally got it resolved after a year without an operable park brake, and it cost me $300 + shipping for new rear hats. I offered to send my old (suspected wrong size) rear hats back to them to analyze, but they said no need.<p>The issue was that I suspect the park brake drum inside diameter was too large and my park brake would not adjust enough to allow the shoes to bite and hold. The dealer looked at them twice. On the second time they even modified the H-shaped piece that is in between the two shoes (welded some material) to initially push the shoes apart more before the park brake cable forced them out more. This didn't help.<p>The Evolve site clearly states that brake parts are warranted for material and workmanship, but no warranty at all after they are installed. My issue with this is, how do you know you have a problem with the brakes until they are installed, catch 22. They are beautiful before installation and size and fitment cannot be tested until installed.<p>After my new hats were installed by the dealer the park brake works just like OEM.<p>The second issue is like others have stated. A rumble/vibration from the front rotors when high speed 80+mph with med to heavy braking. Yes, it still stops, but the whining and vibration just drives me nuts, esp from $1380 rotors (not including pads). I've mentioned this to Evolve early on with no response on this issue.<p>The third issue is a clattering from the rear rotors at slow speeds. They probably still clatter at high speeds, but you can't hear it. I suspected that it had something to do with the floating rotor design and the torqueing of the 10 bolts. Evolve got back with me on this one and gave me the correct torque values (5 lbs/ 7 nm). The dealer loosened and re-torqued all of them once (before my new hats were installed) but the clattering seemed to be initially gone but soon appeared. The same thing happened with my new hats, they still clatter even with new hat/rotor bolts and springs.<p>They are the best looking after market rotors being offered, but if they don't perform flawless, it's not worth it.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (speedemon)

<B>Here is a link to the other on-going Evolve discussion... </B><p><B><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55831" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=55831</A></B>
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (LOTR)

sorry to hear of your problems...i have had 2 of Evolve's rear sways crack on me...these were the older versions. i still have the older design of the front sway, but now the newer of the rear. Don was very helpful and always responded quickly. sent sways overnight, and even helped pay for the labor the first time around.<p>having said that...i have had one little problem with there 3.5"DP...the heat shield around the catalytic converter came loose b/c of the spot welds. this caused a lot of rattling...so my tuner just popped it off...said i don't need it...<p>this is a big reason why i haven't purchased there rotors...good thing i asked b/c apparently many people are unhappy with them...
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (S60Rguy)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>S60Rguy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>this is a big reason why i haven't purchased there rotors...good thing i asked b/c apparently many people are unhappy with them...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haven't heard of anyone who was happy with them, other than their looks and style...
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern ("R" Kelly)

Sorry, Kelly et al if my approach to handling these modding issues with the rest of the forum is not within expectations. I was under the impression LOTR had not brought up the issue with Evolve since it was not made clear in his original post. I think those guys at Evolve are aware of the issue(s) and it would be in their best interests (and everyone else's) to resolve them in a timely manner. Having said that, I have given the pertinent information to them first so they can resolve my issues. I will post results after they have done everything they can...<p>
 

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that's odd.<p>I've got the original sway bars, no problems.<br>I've got the brakes - no problems.<br>I've got the dp - no problems.<p>i've got my sways on the stiffest setting no cracks or anything. i used to get some creaking from the rear bar bushings on speed bumps but that's jus from the stiff bushings. i lubed them and it went away.<p>
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (JAGMAN)

I am very happy with my front Big Brake Kit. No issues, and sure pulls you down to zero well (ask mikec70)
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (KillerB)

KillerB, please ask Evolve to send you some of their lube for the sways. I did and creak went away.
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (JAGMAN)

I'm having a lot of problems with every Evolve product on the car right now and most of the stuff was purchused in January when I got the car back from the OSD trip.<p>THE BODY KIT was a complete nightmare for the body shop. Everything from fitting it, to the material bubbling up. It was suppose to be a 2 week job, but took them and addition 4 and half weeks to get to look right. The shop is the one who Evolve recommends in Pasadena. Nate, the owner of the shop spoke to me for a while the night I picked it up and happen to mention to me that he was making a call over to Evolve and having them take him off the list...that he was threw with their kits.<p>I've had a rattling issue since Soc Cal had the big rain storm. One is was a little rattle coming from the right side of the car. I resetted the Evolve spring and it went away. More rattles started up and I took it back to the Volvo dealer that installed the springs and bars to fix it. They had to called me back in to show me all the flaws while they had it in the air:<p>THE SWAY BARS don't fit right. There is plenty of space on the drivers side, but the end edge of the passengers side sway bar was eating into the control arm. The dealer had to grind that down. The damage to the control arm was minimal with about a 1/8 notch. I need to see some pictures of the pipe clamps your talking about, so I can't check out that issue too.<p>THE EXAUST I found out is not right. It seems off centered like what Franks pictures show. The bracket that holds the exaust off the ground near the cat. convertor is just there not making contact with the exaust. Instead my exaust is loose and bouncing into the drive shaft. There is a small ring where it is hitting it. It's also rubbing on the rear sway bar. The whole thing seems loose and like it's missing something, but I haven't seen any clearance problems like Franks describing.<p>THE SPRINGS have a squeek coming out of the top of the right side tower. Actually it's more like a grinding noise and then a clank. I wrote Keith a couple of days ago and I got this response:<p><B>As for the springs, it could be that everything was installed correctly except for the way the spring is sitting. There is a little pocket in the perch and if the spring is up against it will cause noise. Both EVOLVE springs and factory springs are not intended to be buried in this perch, even though it seems like the obvious thing to do. This may or may not be the cause of the sound you are hearing. Because these springs are installed the same way factory ones are, the Authorized Volvo Retailer really should be responsible for fixing any mistake without charging you.</B><p>I've already took it back to the dealer and they are clueless. I'm thinking of taking it over to Zen's in Studio city to see if the can work the bugs out for a few $$$.<p>The Evolves stuff looks real hot and I've gotten a lot of compliments from all ages. I love the way the exaust sounds. But, I think I've been down this road as a kid and put the cheap crap on and gotten down the road, but I learned the lessons and now that I'm older I spent the extra money to get the right part, and to have it installed right. Now, for some reason I feel cheeted out of something.<p>Thanks Evolve
 

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Re: Evolve sway bars concern (LOTR)

Well this is just not good news for Evolve.<p>I have had no problems however with their products except for a poor fitting spoiler. I have all their suspension and brake offerings including rotors. No noises other than dealer installing without lube and doing it twice to get it right. The dealer installed the brakes and lines with no problem and they perform well.<p>The problem I see is the sudden lack of involvement from Evolve on this MB after many of you took Kieth to task ( right or wrong is not my point) the fact they retreated since then and the sudden out-pouring of problems with no further public word is disturbing to say the least. While in practice many tuners do not get in the habit of debating on message boards as its a losing battle at times ( I watched this with DINAN) they were using this forum to promote the company and gather sales so one can't have it both ways...you want free marketing and sales without taking your lumps? not going to happen...this is a very knowledgable group of posters thats does not suffer fools.<p>Evolve is IMO at a critical juncture, under capatilized companies wanting to grow tend to hit these walls in every segment of business. I hope they realize that if this turns sour they will be fighting a tougher battle.<p>I wish them great luck.
 
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