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<A HREF="http://www.evolvecars.com/site/index.php?id=230,342,0,0,1,0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.evolvecars.com/site...0,1,0</A><p>does anyone have them? what do oyu all think? i'm really considering the 19 x 9.5's after i'm done with the rest of my mods [still far off, but it's nice to have a plan <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">]
 

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Re: Evolve E7's? (Cicada)

They're good if you want to look "different". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <br>However, IMHO, Volvo's original Pegasus 18" wheels are <I>far</I> more beautiful than about 95% of the aftermarket wheels in the entire world, including this one. <p>IM 2nd HO, 19" - 20" wheels look way too big for this car's size and they sure slow the car down considerably too.<p>If i have an R one day ( i hope <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ), the one thing i would always keep stock is the 18" pegasus wheels.<br>
 

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Re: Evolve E7's? (Serdar-S60T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Serdar-S60T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They're good if you want to look "different". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <br>However, IMHO, Volvo's original Pegasus 18" wheels are <I>far</I> more beautiful than about 95% of the aftermarket wheels in the entire world, including this one. <p>IM 2nd HO, 19" - 20" wheels look way too big for this car's size and they sure slow the car down considerably too.<p>If i have an R one day ( i hope <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ), the one thing i would always keep stock is the 18" pegasus wheels.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>i agree.
 

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Well I don't have the E7's but I do have the V7's and they have been great. I think the rims were the best thing EVOLVE sold to me. They seem to take a beating and come out on top. I even had to check the rims after a few pot holes and they are A.O.K.<p>I have them in a size 19 <A HREF="http://www.evolvecars.com/site/index.php?id=105,334,0,0,1,0" TARGET="_blank">http://www.evolvecars.com/site...0,1,0</A><p>I would have to say that 3 peice should have the same quality.
 

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Re: Evolve E7's? (Serdar-S60T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Serdar-S60T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They're good if you want to look "different". <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <br> <br>However, IMHO, Volvo's original Pegasus 18" wheels are <I>far</I> more beautiful than about 95% of the aftermarket wheels in the entire world, including this one. <p>IM 2nd HO, 19" - 20" wheels look way too big for this car's size and they sure slow the car down considerably too.<p>If i have an R one day ( i hope <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ), the one thing i would always keep stock is the 18" pegasus wheels.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE>I Agree with you on the pegasus' looking better than almost anything else<p>but im looking to save some weight since the pegasus wheels are pretty heavy in comparison. I'm also looking for a slightly wider tire, and i think 19's look fine on the R.<p>for me, the wheels will come at the end since the $3-5k i'd be spending on new wheels and tires is MUCH better spent on go-fast mods.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cicada</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but im looking to save some weight since the pegasus wheels are pretty heavy in comparison. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Gross weight doesn't tell the whole story. It's really where the rotating mass is that makes the difference. 19" wheels simply push the rotating mass further out, effectively requiring more power.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cicada</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>but im looking to save some weight since the pegasus wheels are pretty heavy in comparison. I'm also looking for a slightly wider tire, and i think 19's look fine on the R.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>hmm... actually i didn't know about the weight difference... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>and i have 2 questions, <br>how much weight difference can there be between a standard alloy wheel and the ones advertised as "ultra-light" alloy wheels? <br>are there any wheel brands especially known as ultra-light ones or does every wheel company have different types?<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cicada</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for me, the wheels will come at the end since the $3-5k i'd be spending on new wheels and tires is MUCH better spent on go-fast mods.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>definitely right <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Serdar-S60T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>hmm... actually i didn't know about the weight difference... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>and i have 2 questions, <br>how much weight difference can there be between a standard alloy wheel and the ones advertised as "ultra-light" alloy wheels? <br>are there any wheel brands especially known as ultra-light ones or does every wheel company have different types?<p> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Each copmpany has different wheels with different weights. The biggest thing is that wheels are rotating un-sprung mass that can really reduce a car's acceleration. in comparison to most mods, this is probably one of the best go-fast mods you can do as shedding a few pounds at each corner will aid acceleration. I think someone once posted reducing 6 lbs at each corner is equivalent to gaining 20~30hp. You not only can improve the look of the car, but make the load on the engine lighter and the car will handle better as it now has to pry less mass from the lateral acceleration caused by changing directions in corners.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vipergtsz3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Each copmpany has different wheels with different weights. The biggest thing is that wheels are rotating un-sprung mass that can really reduce a car's acceleration. in comparison to most mods, this is probably one of the best go-fast mods you can do as shedding a few pounds at each corner will aid acceleration. I think someone once posted reducing 6 lbs at each corner is equivalent to gaining 20~30hp. You not only can improve the look of the car, but make the load on the engine lighter and the car will handle better as it now has to pry less mass from the lateral acceleration caused by changing directions in corners. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thanks man. ok then, how about stock wheel specs?... i mean for example i'm using 16" stock wheels which look like crap on my T5 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> and I don't know how much they weigh... Is it possible for me to find nice 17" wheels which weigh less than these stock ones although they're bigger in diameter?<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Serdar-S60T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>If i have an R one day ( i hope <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ), the one thing i would always keep stock is the 18" pegasus wheels.<br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Sure, you can find 17 inch rims that weigh less and make a difference if your 16 inch rims are heavy. For example, if your 16" rims weigh 23 lbs and a nice set of 17" OZ rims weigh 18 lbs, you just saved 5 lbs/wheel at each corner.<p>That can definitely give you a gain in acceleration even though your new rims would be taller by an inch.<p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Serdar-S60T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>thanks man. ok then, how about stock wheel specs?... i mean for example i'm using 16" stock wheels which look like crap on my T5 <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> and I don't know how much they weigh... Is it possible for me to find nice 17" wheels which weigh less than these stock ones although they're bigger in diameter?<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pie_ya said it all. I know that there OZ Ultraleggera's tend to be on the lighter side, so are the VST's. And many forged wheels weigh less. Considering the fact that you have stock 16" rims, most aftermarket wheels will have a larger diameter provided that you up the rim size to 17 or 18's, but the significantly lighter weight will overcompensate for the added contact patch. <br>
 

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lighter wheels does make the car accelerate better - but if you replace pegs with 19s....they may be lighter, but you also have moved more weight further out.... and may offset ALL the weight loss.<p>i'm no physicist...but the weight makes a bigger impact the further out it goes. ever sit on a chair that spins and then spin yourself. stick your arms/legs out....then pull them in tight and look at how much faster you spin.... same basic concept...or the ice skater swho spin and when they tuck everything IN they spin like nuts. no weight change..just change the location of the weight.<p>adding lighter wheels is good, but if you want to get serious about light weight, it needs to be lighter on the edges. <p>someone ought to do a real world test on a car iwth stock pegs then light weight 18s or light weight 19s. do a bunch of acceleration tests, and see fi there is any detectable difference.<p>my honest opinion is that thepegs look pretty darn good. another thing about the pegs is that there is no lip. the spokes extend ALL the way to the edge fo the wheel..that subjectively makes them look bigger than they are. i've seen guys pop OFF pegs and put on 18s that have lips - hence the spokes are shorter, and the wheels look SMALLER than pegs. pegs look larger than they are. so given the cost to get better wheels that are actually lighter, you're going to have to spend quite a bit to get somethign "better" and to a lot of us, they may not really look better.<p>if i was goign to drop $3000-$5000 on something - it would not be new wheels. i'd do go fast goodies, and make the car faster that way. better bang for the buck IMHO
 

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I just read an article in one of my car mags (forgot which one). They took a 18" wheel that weighed 26 lbs @ 8" wide. Then they took very similar wheel (18" and 26 lbs) BUT 9" wide and performed an "unsprung weight difference" The wider wheel added 4 lbs to each corner of unsprung weight. With 16 lbs's of unsprung weight added to the same vehicle (E46 M3) the dyno computed a 21HP loss to the wheels (compared to the 8" wide wheel) @75 degrees F and 60% humidity <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> . With 1 hour between runs. I found this very interesting. Then when they took the car on the road, the wider wheel was a MUCH HARSHER ride with alot more tramming. Just my 2c's. Rick
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Vipergtsz3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At that price, go with Volutions or the VST's so you can keep the "R".</TD></TR></TABLE>dont really like the volutions, but the VST's look nice. <p>what's the weight on the pegasus wheels?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>23109VC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lighter wheels does make the car accelerate better - but if you replace pegs with 19s....they may be lighter, but you also have moved more weight further out.... and may offset ALL the weight loss.<p>adding lighter wheels is good, but if you want to get serious about light weight, it needs to be lighter on the edges. <p>someone ought to do a real world test on a car iwth stock pegs then light weight 18s or light weight 19s. do a bunch of acceleration tests, and see fi there is any detectable difference.<p>my honest opinion is that thepegs look pretty darn good. another thing about the pegs is that there is no lip. the spokes extend ALL the way to the edge fo the wheel..that subjectively makes them look bigger than they are. i've seen guys pop OFF pegs and put on 18s that have lips - hence the spokes are shorter, and the wheels look SMALLER than pegs. pegs look larger than they are. so given the cost to get better wheels that are actually lighter, you're going to have to spend quite a bit to get somethign "better" and to a lot of us, they may not really look better.<p>if i was goign to drop $3000-$5000 on something - it would not be new wheels. i'd do go fast goodies, and make the car faster that way. better bang for the buck IMHO</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are right about shifting the weight out, but I believe Serder was looking towards something slightly bigger than his 16's, such as a 17 or 18" rim. I believe that above 19" is when you need to worry about this more. Also, it's tough to find a 19"+ rim that weighs less than the 26lbs our pegs are. At that point everything is that awful chrome dub look. <p>I simply suggest this route because it is an easy way to improve handling/acceleration, while not doing anything to void your warranty.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cicada</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont really like the volutions, but the VST's look nice. <p>what's the weight on the pegasus wheels?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know the 17's are 25 or 26 lbs. I know that someone has weighed both out before, so it might be found in the search.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Vipergtsz3 at 11:03 AM 8-4-2006</i>
 
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