[christophe]

Interesting test. Just finished the article and gotta say, $5k spent on mods including TME, brakes (not exactly sure what they did here) Bilstein/Eibach, Tire/wheels..

Results -

Track time
stock - 1.28.866 Mod - 1.27.967

1/4 mile
stock - 15.252 @ 92.06 MPH mod - [email protected] 94.18MPH

Skid Pad
stock -0 .81g mod - 0.84g

Slalom
stock - 66.3mph mod - 67.6 mph

DYNO
stock - 187 HP/224 lb/ft mod - 196 HP/232 lb/ft

TME software resulted in an 9HP gain and 8 ft pounds!!!

$995 for that, hmmmm

 

[FBplaya0085]

$995 for 9 hp??? are you kidding? that is rediculous.

 

[awd]

Re: (FBplaya0085)

I believe it, I think about 10-15 hp at the wheel is these people (me included) are getting at the wheel with these chips. I have no emperical evidence other then the butt dyno tested extensively on the BSR and Evolve upgrades.

 

[awd]

Re: (FBplaya0085)

I believe it, I think about 10hp at the wheel is these people (me included) are getting at the wheel with these chips. I have no emperical evidence other then the butt dyno tested extensively on the BSR and Evolve upgrades.

 

[Oldman]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (christophe)

been posted many times, the software takes time to learn and the dyno shows the car to have heavy pull back on HP after a nice rise.

 

[slo-vo]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (Oldman)

was these tests above posted on a AWD or FWD T-5? also 9hp gains for the chips that are costing us $800.00 plus dollars is crap

 

[Oldman]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (slo-vo)

yep but what is the gain over stock, cause stock power can be +/- 20 or more HP.

 

[ukmatt]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (Oldman)

Quote, originally posted by Oldman »

yep but what is the gain over stock, cause stock power can be +/- 20 or more HP.

You really should note that this is purely anecdotal evidence based on your feelings of your own vehicle after modification and performing some of your own maintenance.

Not saying what you see isn't happening - just that it's somewhat unfair to apply your experience and say every S40/V50 is the same.

UKMatt

 

[Oldman]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (ukmatt)

look a few have posted the same performance ups and downs on the stock ecu. What does performing my own work have to do with anything.

You think Volvo workers are blessed by God himself?

I got more then just "anecdotal evidence" I have GTECH, dyno run, and 1/4 mile times. BTW what do you have: nothing, stock car and an opinion.

I got a chip and I can go back to stock in 5 minutes so I got more then just an opinion. I have the car, a chip, and a bunch of tools and I race and street fight and take a few back roads way too fast. Oh and I've taken apart and put back together hundreds of engines and thousands of cars from a 69 440 big block to my Volvo turbo to a VTEC DOHC turbo to a TDI.

But please, let us know what you base your Volvo experience on.

Also the dyno run was posted and the car had a nice power curve till it just dropped off, a clear sign the ecu saw a problem and pulled off the power.

 

[mike_c70]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (christophe)

Where was this test taken? What were the dyno conditions? More importantly, what type of dyno was it? What gas was used? What kind of car was it? Running a dyno on AWD makes a big difference on wheel HP because the losses are substantial (at least on the Volvo) - 30%+. I haven't received the latest issue yet so I will wait till then until I pass judgement. On my R I see a 30HP (crank) difference just by filling up with high octane gas.

 

[Oldman]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (mike_c70)

I only run high octane, but who really knows what is in the tank, performace with chip is +/- 30 HP. I try to get high volume stations. dunno.

 

[awd]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (mike_c70)

Quote, originally posted by mike_c70 »

Where was this test taken? What were the dyno conditions? More importantly, what type of dyno was it? What gas was used? What kind of car was it? Running a dyno on AWD makes a big difference on wheel HP because the losses are substantial (at least on the Volvo) - 30%+. I haven't received the latest issue yet so I will wait till then until I pass judgement. On my R I see a 30HP (crank) difference just by filling up with high octane gas.

I think thats why they do a baseline, to eliminate many of these questions. Its all relative.

I personally find it funny that so many people have opinions contradicting empirical evidence. While I do not know if these dyno tests that these people and magazines are posting are legit, for some reason I believe them a tad more the all the people on this board saying "thats BS", with little to no proof to back themselves.

I would however love to see some proof of the 30hp gain on an r with just high octane gas, I am not saying that it is not true, but that would be amazing.

 

[ukmatt]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (Oldman)

Quote, originally posted by Oldman »

look a few have posted the same performance ups and downs on the stock ecu. What does performing my own work have to do with anything. You think Volvo workers are blessed by God himself?

No need to be an a$$ about it... fact: you, an uncertified, untrained (on the platform) mechanic performed your own maintenance. That is a fact that may or may not be related to your issues with your vehicle. It is however, relevant in the spirit of full disclosure.

Quote, originally posted by Oldman »

I got more then just "anecdotal evidence" I have GTECH, dyno run, and 1/4 mile times. BTW what do you have: nothing, stock car and an opinion.

Anecdotal: based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific evidence.

Your butt dyno plus one instrument plus one night of 1/4 mile times does not equal anything other than casual observation. Once more for your reading pleasure: I am not saying what you mention here is anything other than true. However, when you state your observation, as you did here, as fact, that is wrong.

I don't need anything - it's you that is stating opinion/limited observation as fact.

Quote, originally posted by Oldman »

I got a chip and I can go back to stock in 5 minutes so I got more then just an opinion.

Yes - you clearly have an opinion and a chipped car... one does not validate the other.

Quote, originally posted by Oldman »

I have the car, a chip, and a bunch of tools and I race and street fight and take a few back roads way too fast.

You could also add that you blew up a clutch during all of this... how is it supposed to further validate your opinion?

Quote, originally posted by Oldman »

But please, let us know what you base your Volvo experience on.

Listen - this isn't a case of my opinion versus yours - I couldn't give a rats ass if your car has 10hp or 1000hp or anything in between.

I'm not contradicting your opinion - I am simply saying you really ought to qualify it as an opinion rather than fact because that's the decent, reasonable thing to do.

UKMatt

 

[slo-vo]

i just read the article from a friend and i beleive this is the same car that was in sport compact car a few months ago and also came up with the same dyno results, crazy huh? same car and same dyno results................ i personally find it near to impossible to raise the boost from 8lbs to 15 lbs with a catback exhaust and only yield a 9 hp gain, even being as small as our turbo is. i just don't buy it guys, sorry

 

[Oldman]

Re: (slo-vo)

they all share the same article, all of them are STD dyno figures anyway, which can't be done on a turbo car. The dyno is hosed, the chip has a nice pull and then just falls down, classic detonation on the dyno, bad gas, not enough chip learn time, super hot day with little air flow, or typical S40 engine HP gremilins. I should know I got one in my car too.

 

[slo-vo]

Re: (Oldman)

Quote, originally posted by Oldman »

they all share the same article, all of them are STD dyno figures anyway, which can't be done on a turbo car. The dyno is hosed, the chip has a nice pull and then just falls down, classic detonation on the dyno, bad gas, not enough chip learn time, super hot day with little air flow, or typical S40 engine HP gremilins. I should know I got one in my car too.

well my S40 is pretty much stock for the exception of a K&N drop in filter. i'll be doing a dyno run hopefully pretty soon to get a base line and then re dyno after my cat back exhaust and ecu reflash, hopefully i get better results than 9hp

 

[mike_c70]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (awd)

Quote, originally posted by awd »

I would however love to see some proof of the 30hp gain on an r with just high octane gas, I am not saying that it is not true, but that would be amazing.

Here's your proof:

Before:
http://www.geocities.com/mike_c70/RUN4.pdf

After:
http://www.geocities.com/mike_c70/V70_2.pdf

A 20HP/ 20NM gain just with gas (highest runs of each dyno session shown). I've seen up to 30HP but not on my car (it was an S4).

You can clearly see that the curves are much smoother using higher octane gas and more importantly, the boost is constant at 1 bar (what the stock R should be). In the before graph, the boost was inconsistent as well as the other curves.

Look also at the WHP, a 30%+ loss. Unless it's a true static split, you can never tell how a AWD car will behave on a dyno.

 

[christophe]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (mike_c70)

To answer a few questions.

1. Both cars were FWD
2. The stock was a Auto, the Modded one a 6 speed, so IMO, this is even more of a joke because the Auto should have given up a hell of a lot more HP, It should have lost the 9 in just the tranny alone...

3. Until someone post some dyno results (GTECH is a joke IMO) just let it go.
4. I will have before and after results (real results) on mine here in about two weeks. Not sure what software I want to run now if at all...
5. Read the article, same driver drove both cars back to back on the same day, same with the 1/4 mile driver.

 

[mike_c70]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (christophe)

Quote, originally posted by christophe »

2. The stock was a Auto, the Modded one a 6 speed

This in itself is a case to dismiss the test. You never compare data from 2 different cars. No 2 cars are ever the same. They want to do a before and after, they have to use the same car. Not even worth reading the article now. Plus they made IPD/TME look bad by saying that their ECU only makes 9HP gain.

 

[christophe]

Re: Eurotuner does stock vs mod S40 comparo (mike_c70)

Quote, originally posted by mike_c70 »

This in itself is a case to dismiss the test. You never compare data from 2 different cars. No 2 cars are ever the same. They want to do a before and after, they have to use the same car. Not even worth reading the article now. Plus they made IPD/TME look bad by saying that their ECU only makes 9HP gain.

So to invalidate it, you are saying that a stock auto s40 runs only 9 HP less then a chipped manual s40 - I fail to see much logic in that. Although your point of using the same car to run base line then modded is definately ideal, unless the Auto was some super S40 brother, there should have been a whopping difference between the two. As I pointed out (since you deleted this portion from my point) there should be, at a minimum, a 9 HP difference between an Auto and a Manual stock..

And unless someone, other then TME or butt dynos, post gains on a real dyno, then I am leaning more towards a third party's results then theirs.