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Ok, your comments & knowledge needed - <P>What are your thoughts on lighting for our cars? We currently have H7 for our lo beams and H1 for our driving lamps(not very good IMHO).<P>I'm not looking for the big $ Xenon HID upgrade(there is a good thread on the V40 forum BTW). But I am very curious about the Xenon charged lamps at eurolamps.com and the Phillips BlueVision(H7 & H1) and VisionPlus(only H7) lamps at autolamps-online.com. They both claim better visibility.<P>Will these work with DRLs? I have heard that DRLs run at a reduced wattage during the day... will this cause a problem? I don't want to disconnect my DRLs, and can not justify these upgrades if I have to replace these lamps every 3-6 months. Since these are rated at 55w output, will these be safe as opposed to "over wattage bulbs" that run hotter? <P>Is it true that our stock lamps & bulbs are covered under warranty for 4 years? If so... I'll wait till then for upgrades.<P>Standard Halogen:<BR> <IMG SRC="http://autolamps-online.com/images/Stdhalogen.jpg"> <P>BlueVision:<BR> <IMG SRC="http://autolamps-online.com/images/bluevisionphoto.JPG"> <P>EuroLight:<BR> <IMG SRC="http://members.aol.com/eurolamps/images/xenon3ani.gif"> <BR>Thanks,<BR>Rob<P>
 

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Hey Rob -<P>I sure do wish the V70 had come with HIDs, and I think you're doing us all a great service by researching these offordable options. I can't help with the bulbs you mention, since I currently know very little about them, but I do know a couple of things about the DRLs on our cars (at least I THINK I know this stuff - it comes from reliable sources).<P>Pertaining only to the '01 V70:<P>1. There is NO difference in voltage between the DRL position and the headlight position<BR>2. The <B>only</B> difference in the two positions is that the high beams will not "stick" on in the DRL position. All marker lights, dash lights, etc are on in either position.<BR>3. Disabling the DRLs was a wonderful choice for me becuase a) I have the choice of saving burn time on my potentially expensive headlight bulbs; b) I can flash my lights on and off for the fun of it; c) the ignition can be on for extended time with much less battery drain (the tint installers had the ignition on for hours); d) I can run my fog lights <I>without</I> the main headlights on to reflect the fog; e) I can back into my garage without blasting my headlights into my across-the-street-neighbors livingroom.<P>But onward....I'd love to hear anybody's experience with the bulbs that Rob mentions.<P>- Darell<P>
 

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1.) <B>Philips VisionPlus</B> - This is the best H7 bulb on the market bar none. This bulb has no blue coating and is crystal clear (except for the top edge). This bulb is newly-tweaked and has a high pressure gas mix (including Xenon gas). Older H7 bulbs use an inert gas fill, but the new Philips VisionPlus uses an active halogen gas fill. This makes the bulbs acheive a higher luminous flux, without changing the wattage of the bulb.<P>2.) <B>Philips BlueVision</B> - Just remember that any type of blue filtration that is covering a bulb will steal light away. This is the reason that Phillips BlueVision is not as good as the VisionPlus. It just "looks" good, but it does NOT "perform" as good. Although, this bulb is legal and safe because it has an output between 850-1150 lumens.<P>If you want real "performance" and not just the "look", there is only one real choice between these two, and it is very safe. It just depends on what you want. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>-Drew <p>[This message has been edited by InDy (edited 02-22-2001).]
 

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Darell,<P>Thanks for the refresher course on DRLs... I forgot you are the resident expert on this topic. Good to know that there is no voltage change. BTW, you say that you can run your fogs w/o having the mains on? Would this be in the DRL position or the Parking Light position?<P><BR>InDy,<P>Thanks for the info on the Philips bulbs. I've looked extensively at both sites and will most likely go with autolamps-online.com which sells the Philips bulbs. They give good info w/specs, online pricing, 20% discount on 1st order, no tax, no S&H charges(even coming from England), and a 7 day turnaround. I was rather unimpressed w/ the eurolamp site & the fact that I had to email them my vehicle info before they provided any details & pricing. FYI- H7 BlueVision at 55w output 1450 +13%-7%, H1 BlueVision at 55w output 1550 lumens +/-15%, H7 VisionPlus at 55w output 1690 lumens +5%-7%. Would you happen to know what the legal limit is for vehicle lighting in the state of California? Is this set by the NHTSA, D.O.T.?<P>I will post info when my bulbs arrive and I will keep you all updated on their performance & longevity.<P>If anyone else has experiences w/ aftermarket lighting upgrades I would value your $.02<P>Thanks again,<BR>Rob<BR> <IMG SRC="http://autolamps-online.com/images/bluevision.jpg"> <P><P>
 

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Hey Rob -<P>Thanks for the great bulb purchase info. Can't wait to hear the results.<P>As for the fogs - I can run them alone only with the light switch in the parking position. I've been able to do this with the S80 I drove that HAD DRLs, so I'm not sure if other, stock V70's can do this as well. In other words, I never tried to do this with my car before disabling the DRLs.<P>I truly have found many reasons to have the headlights off, and by simply leaving the switch in the 12 o'**** position, I have DRLs, so there's no loss of functionality (just make sure when you're flashing your high-beams at somebody, they don't stick on.<P>- Darell<P>
 

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Rob,<P>As far as I know, each state does not set their own legal limits for vehicle lumen ratings, but the USA and Europe as a whole have set limits. For the 55 watt H7 bulb, the average (+/-) lumens is 1335 for both USA SAE and European ECE standards.<P>Your previous post is interesting because it shows that the Philips BlueVision bulb has a very high degree of variance as compared to the Philips VisionPlus.<P><B>1.)</B> VisionPlus H7 1690 lumens (+5%/-7%), which gives a range of 1775-1572 lumens. <P><B>2.)</B> BlueVision H7 1450 lumens (+13%/-7%), which gives a range of 1639-1348 lumens.<P>I am not sure how they measure the variance in regards to their lumen ratings, but if it is across the projected light path, then the VisionPlus has superior light output and tolerance. The VisionPlus has cleaner light ouput whereas the BlueVision has a central hotspot. Just more evidence that the VisionPlus is the superior bulb for performance.<P>Just as a side not, you might find it interesting to know that the Xenon HID D2S (Projector) has an output of 3200 lumens and the Xenon HID D2R (Reflector) has an output of 2800 lumens.<P>-Drew
 

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Drew -<P>Those projector HIDs are incredible. How many watts do they draw for those 3200 lumens?<P>- Darell<p>[This message has been edited by darell (edited 02-23-2001).]
 

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Darell,<P>The D2S Projector and D2R Reflector Xenon HID lights only draw 35 watts of power. The D2S Projector is superior to the D2R Reflector because it is more efficient meaning that it uses more and wastes less light, than reflector designs. It also has a sharper cutoff point. Althought, the D2S Projector has more exterior styling possibilities, it cannot be fit very well into tight engine bays because the headlamp assemblies are very deep. Supposedly, the new 2002 Infiniti Q45 will have the most powerful headlights in the world, because it uses a D2S Projector System that has 7 internal reflectors. The light output of the D2S Projector is amazing indeed! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/eek.gif"><P><B>02' Infiniti Q45 Xenon HID</B><BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.intelcities.com/Sportster_Way/DrewSRX/q45xenon.jpg"> <P>-Drew
 

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Darell,<P>How does 35w sound! Now me knows why real HID cost so much mullah <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/eek.gif"> I think you need something else like self-leveling doohicky to keep it from causing permanent blindness to the oncoming traffic. <P>InDy,<P>My conclusion is the same as yours... VisionPlus for better performance. I wonder why it doesn't come in H1(fog) and 9005(hi beam)? I would like to match the entire set. I like to find out what the stock Philips bulbs are rated at... to compare against VisionBlue. I will try to find this info, unless you can come up with it first.<P>Thx,<BR>Rob<P>
 

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InDy...<P>Dang, that Infiniti HID could cause a Stage 3 rolling blackout here in California!<P>Your pic actually resembles something you would see in the O.R. right before you go "under the knife" beep, beep, beep, beeeeeeeeee <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/tongue.gif"><P><BR><P>
 

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35 watts? I'm just speachless. Well, the NEXT car will have them. I love technology like that. Wish I could afford it <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"><P>And Rob - let me know when you find the best replacement bulb for the fogs. I'd love to make them useful.<P>- Darell
 

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Am I understanding correctly that I can only get vision Plus H7 for the dipped headlights? <P><BR>What do I do for the main beams? Please sort out my new confusion! I previously thought I knew what to order.
 

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Dipped ???<P>On 2001 V70...<P>Lo Beams = H7 <BR>Hi Beams = 9005 or HB3<BR>Fog Lights = H1<P>I have only been able to find VisionPlus bulbs in H7 and H4 configurations.<BR><P>
 

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Thanks Rob. Dipped is European for low beam.<P>So what is the advantage to us of getting the Vision Plus to approach the capability of Xenon (standard on some cheaper cars) if the hi beam is not enhanced? I don't see the point.
 

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Are you saying in Europe...<BR>Dipped = Lo ?<BR>Main = Hi ?<P>Here in the US... our Lo beams are ON all the time (DRLs) and is what we typically drive with ON at night. We use our Hi beams to "flash & pass" and for other annoying purposes. Our Fogs are used in conjuction with our Lo beams for enhanced visibilty & do not work when we turn our Hi beams on.<P>Since your Lo beams will be used the highest percentage of the time, I suppose Philips felt it was more important to develope the H7 bulbs first.<P>As far as the VisionPlus benefits:<BR>The claim is 50% more light on the road without extra electrical consumption, 10-20 meters (33-66 feet) longer beam, better reflections from roads & signs, and a whiter & brighter light for extra safety and comfort. These <B>are not</B> "over wattage" bulbs which will run hotter (i.e. 55w = 110w) and may eventually cause electrical problems with your connections and wiring harnesses.<P>
 

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Yes, some people use this historic term. sorry to confuse you.<P>I find the low beam adequate for driving in traffic, although you may well disagree, and is certainly adequate as a DRL. I don't find the fog lights much more than decorative for me to see better but perhaps I could be seen better in fog by oncoming drivers. To me, fog lamps should be a specialized local low and kerb tracking pencil beam so that I am not dazzled in fog, provided I can turn off the main and hi/lo beams - apparently Darell can do this but it is illegal in some jurisdictions. Having the current localized flood fog light pattern of both fog lights with lo or hi beams at the same time is a waste of time. What I would like is a brighter bulb for the hi beam for those conditions of country roads, or occasional main highways with no oncoming traffic. Just my opinions.
 

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It is plenty illegal here (in CA) to drive with only fogs on. But as you clearly already know, fog lights can only be effective when they are mounted very low, have an excellent horizontal cut-off, and used ALONE. Running the main headlights defeats the purpose of fog lights (reducing the light reflecting off the fog back into your face). I do, however, use my decorative fogs just to make the front of the car more visible in inclement weather. Hey, I already paid for them...might as well use them.<P>I would love to have better low beams AND high beams. But I'll start with the lows for now I guess. I haven't yet found a situation where I wished for less light on high or low beam.<P>- Darell<P>
 

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Rob, Darell, Prepo & everyone else:<P>Okay everyone, the Volvo Concept Lab has just opened up and it is time to tell Volvo that you want Xenon headlights! There are evaluation forms for the ACC, SCC, and PCC for people to give Volvo some input. I have filled them all out and told Volvo that I wanted them to offer Xenon headlights in the future at least as an option. However you feel about this subject, please give them your opinions! <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"> There are also live chats where you can voice your opinions! Thanks!<P><A HREF="http://www.conceptlabvolvo.com" TARGET=_blank>Volvo Concept Lab</A><P>-Drew
 

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I hate to revisit this topic again, but I'm still not sure of a few things.<P>Our low beams are H7 and our high beams are 9005, right? The fog (or driving) lights are H1, right? <P>Autolamps-online indicates the H7 bulb for both low and high beam bulbs, which I think is incorrect. H7 for low beam only, right?<P>The VisionPlus only comes in H7 for low beams as far as I can tell and there is no VisionPlus replacement for the high beam or fog lights. (Forget about the reverse lights for a second, although I've got questions about replacing those, too!!)<P>Now, check out autobulbdepot.com. They seem to carry a PIAA bulb 9005 for the high beams. They also carry Hiper bulbs in H7 and 9005 variety, which would be nice to have a matching set for low and high beams. PIAA also makes an H1, which might be a replacement for our fog lights.<P>Are the VisionPlus bulbs any different (or better) than the bulbs at autobulbdepot.com? It would seem as though there exist replacement bulbs for the high beam and fog lights, as well as the low beams. <P>Can anyone shed some more "light" (hee hee - couldn't resist) on this? Thanks.<P>Frank<P>
 

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The owners manual for your V70 should show exactly what type of bulbs are used for each location. If you don't trust the owners manual, you can always check the bulbs yourself. That is probably what I would do. They are very easy to remove and replace.<P>The only bulbs at autobulbdepot.com that are D.O.T compliant are the PIAA bulbs. All of the Catz, Hiper, and Super H bulbs are for off-highway or show use only. The Super H bulbs are overwattage bulbs that can ruin the wiring harness and lamp housing. The PIAA platinum series bulbs have a slight blue tint on them which is automatically a strike against them IMHO, with the exception of their H1. Buying any aftermarket bulb with a tint will take away useful light.<P>I still have yet to find a better bulb than the H7 Philips VisionPlus for pure and clear light output. <IMG SRC="http://www.swedespeed.com/ubb/smile.gif"> The PIAA H1 for the foglights seem to be pretty good, since they are extra clear, with no coating.<P>-Drew
 
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