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Engine overheats after Do88 radiator upgrade - fans stop working intermittently (with pics)

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Hey all,
I've been scratching my head around this for the past month and can't pinpoint the problem, seeking your advice.
This post has three sections to help shed a light on what I've done with the car so far. Might be useful to help diagnose the problem. You can just skip to section 3 to check the problem:
1- Job 1
2- Job 2
3- The problem

JOB1
My radiator cracked and started leaking, so I decided to treat my old girl (09 XC60 T6) and upgrade to do88 WC-340 radiator, along with the following:
  • ipd Thermostat (glad i did since it came out in pieces)
  • ipd Intake manifold gaskets (since I removed it to reach the thermostat)
  • OEM Upper and lower radiator hoses
  • OEM Spark plugs (car is 130K Km and since i was ordering parts i decided to replace them too)

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The parts

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The car during work. with no lift available (but the car jacked still) It was just so much easier to take out the front end in order to get into the tight spaces and slide both the fan and old radiator out)
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Old vs new thermostat. Glad i replaced it as it was apparently broken due to its age.

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new thermostat in place


Did the job within 3 days and vacuum-filled OEM coolant. The car ran perfect for a couple of days until it started leaking coolant again on top of transmission. and here is when i saw the first overheating warning. I parked immediately and didn't drive the car since.
I figured since im loosing coolant, air might be creeping through the water pump gasket since it gave up (maybe cuz of the vacuum filling?)
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JOB2
Thus, I figured yeah it's an old gasket let me do another job and replace:
(without the steel pipe connected to water pump housing)

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Old water pump was leaking and splashing water as serpentine belt spins.
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Yep, doesn't look pretty. I did then clean up as much as i could where the gasket sit.

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Old vs new pump. The old one is totally fine, but oh well, a new one is installed.
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Old vs new thermostat hose, the bottom part includes what seems to be a flow/check valve which was completely missing in the old hose!
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Inside of new (left) vs old (right) hoses where the spring and plastic parts of the valve are missing. I found the spring stuck at the end of the pipe, but the plastic parts in the middle are gone (scared to think inside the engine!)

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After the job, i filled the car with coolant (vacuum-filled) and pressure tested the system with finally no leakage at all. I even tried burping the system to make sure no air is trapped in the cooling system.

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THE PROBLEM

After the second job, the car runs fine in the first 20 min, I warmed it until it reached 98 C (208 F). In both driving and at idle, the moment i reach 98 C (208 F) the fans run at 33% to cool the engine back to 96 C (204 F) and then they stop. and then again at 98 C and so on... and it seems to do that for a couple of times until suddenly the fans do not engage and the car shoots to around 110 C (230 F) before i shut it off.
It also happens much quicker when i turn on the AC, where the fans work well for a while, then shut off and i lose cool air and the engine overheats again.
However, the moment i shut the engine off, the fans engage at 100% to cool the engine for 6 min.

In Vida I can engage the fans at 100% and they run fine.

So im really puzzled on what the problem might be. Did the fan module malfunction despite working fine in above scenarios? Is it something else I'm missing?

appreciating your feedback.
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Shot in the dark but how reliable are the ipd thermostats? I'd probably replace that with OE personally.
Watching with interest - my ‘11 S60 has an overheating issue - the fans are not kicking in when required when the car is stopped or moving slowly - they fire up just fine when manually commanded on thru Vida.

Tried replacing original fan control module with cheap third party and still get same symptoms.
Shot in the dark but how reliable are the ipd thermostats? I'd probably replace that with OE personally.
Had the same doubt.
But I was able to tell it opens once I cold start and warm the car to 92 C, and it cools to 88 C without the fans turning on, and the upper radiator hose becomes real hot.
So I concluded that its working.

But if nothing works out for me, I might end up replacing with OE as a last resort.
Watching with interest - my ‘11 S60 has an overheating issue - the fans are not kicking in when required when the car is stopped or moving slowly - they fire up just fine when manually commanded on thru Vida.

Tried replacing original fan control module with cheap third party and still get same symptoms.
I've seen a video here that third party modules won't work well. So it has to be an OEM.

But similar to yours, I'm confused as I also can run it in VIDA. So it's unclear if it's a faulty module or something else stopping the fans.

If I find an OE fan module in the junk yard, I'm thinking of replacing it, see if it works.
I remain convinced that if it is a module problem it is highly unlikely that a new third party control module would exhibit exactly the same failure mode as the original
I have a similar problem to your issues except that I have changed all the parts with the original Volvo Parts and on the other hand I don't have the tools to check on the fan power %.

It still has a habit of overheating when the RPM is above the normal idling level. When idling it will always be around 90 degrees celsius and whenever I touch the gas pedal, it will accelerate to reach around 100. However, whenever I drive it slowly it will go back to 90 - 93 degrees Celsius.
I have a similar problem to your issues except that I have changed all the parts with the original Volvo Parts and on the other hand I don't have the tools to check on the fan power %.

It still has a habit of overheating when the RPM is above the normal idling level. When idling it will always be around 90 degrees celsius and whenever I touch the gas pedal, it will accelerate to reach around 100. However, whenever I drive it slowly it will go back to 90 - 93 degrees Celsius.

Does your fan never turn on? Or works intermittently?
Check the fans behavior.
And you've done work on coolant system, make sure there aren't air traps in the system
UPDATE:

I've been further trying to diagnose the problem and it keeps getting more confusing:

Since my fans run fine in the first 30 min-ish of running the car as described above, I waited until they stopped engaging, and as it was climbing above 100C, I turned on AC to see if the fans will engage. They didn't.

So I plugged in VIDA and engaged the fans through it. Surprisingly, they engage and the car cools down!
If I turn the fans off from VIDA, the fans won't run back again by themselves.

this is very confusing now. As the fans have power, do run fine in the first 30-40 min (so they do get signal) and then decide not to engage anymore, but they are fine through VIDA. ????

so now it's clear to me that it isn't a fuse issue (is there even a relay?).
It seems to be a signal issue, though I'm not sure if it's fan module at this point.
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