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Ebiach Pro Kit

I have the Ebicach Pro kit installed on my car and the rear sags slightly compared to the front. The car has a very nice stance. Nonetheless, with all the concern about ride height, from a driving perspective don't you want to have the rear sag slighlty for agressive cornoring driving? It only seems logical, but often times I go against the grain
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (UNO_RACING)

<I><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>UNO_RACING</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the Ebicach Pro kit installed on my car and the rear sags slightly compared to the front. The car has a very nice stance. Nonetheless, with all the concern about ride height, from a driving perspective don't you want to have the rear sag slighlty for agressive cornoring driving? It only seems logical, but often times I go against the grain</TD></TR></TABLE></I><p>Some sag (negative camber) is fine and those of us discussing this matter relative to the TME springs are concerned about just how much is acceptable or beneficial given the anticipated drop of these springs. In my specific case, -2.1 degrees of camber is too much, especially when combined with tires having a very low tread wear rating. See JRL's comments about his experience and suggestions and the comments of others.<p>If the Eibach springs you've installed provide a reasonable drop in stance and do not result in negative camber beyond your comfort then I'd say you're in good shape! Unfortunately, I have not found this result..., but I'm working on it.<p> -Wm.
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (UNO_RACING)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>UNO_RACING</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the Ebicach Pro kit installed on my car and the rear sags slightly compared to the front. The car has a very nice stance. Nonetheless, with all the concern about ride height, from a driving perspective don't you want to have the rear sag slighlty for agressive cornoring driving? It only seems logical, but often times I go against the grain</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I recommend frequently rotating and balancing the tires -- preferably at every 7500 mile service, and once in between. This will certainly help prolong tread life.<p>Also remember that whenever you do something to improve <I>performance</I>, you will generally have a corresponding sacrifice elsewhere. Not always, but generally. As is the case with lowering springs/sway bars, the added handling benefit results in increased tire wear.
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (R Salesman)

It just blows me away that I can, and have "modded" 2 cars with springs. 2001 M3 1 1/4 inch drop all the way around and a CLK with the same drop. I never had issues with camber. Both Eibach's. I do not think that these cars are made to "drop" and still expect any more than 10,000 miles (if that) out of a 1100.00 set of tires and also rotate your tires every 3000 miles. It almost seems like Volvo only wanted the "springs" that they put in to be our only "totally correct" way to have the car stand. To not have camber adjustments on the R's is just plain weird. Too bad. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I also have Prokit and 10mm spacer but after alignment no sagging seems in the rear.<p>But I rotate the tires every 5000 km in every case
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit ([email protected])

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><I></I><p>Some sag (negative camber) is fine <p> -Wm.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>"Sagging" (lower rear or even) <B>has nothing</B> to do with negative camber, it's just the ride height it's the spring itself, nothing more, nothing less
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>"Sagging" (lower rear or even) <B>has nothing</B> to do with negative camber, it's just the ride height it's the spring itself, nothing more, nothing less</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I respectfully disagree, JRL. It does if it's enough to induce negative camber in suspension designs where it's engineered as part of the design.<p> -Wm.
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit ([email protected])

You're mixing up symantics.<br>You are (and rightly so) referring to negative camber, he was talking about his actual ride height being lower in the rear. This has nothing to do with camber.<br>Some cars (volvos and your car in pericular) have the side effect of negative camber when the rear is dropped but, as said, that's not what HE'S talking about
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I respectfully disagree, JRL. It does if it's enough to induce negative camber in suspension designs where it's engineered as part of the design.<p> -Wm.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I think JRL's pointing out that we are equivocating terms here. Sagging is not synonymous with negative camber.<p>Sagging should define a siutation in which the rear of the vehicle has a lower ride height than the front of the vehicle. That strictly deals with ride height.<p>Negative camber defines the angle of the wheel, with the top of the wheel leaning further toward the inside of the car than the bottom of the wheel.<p>It just so happens that with the R, when the rear end is lowered enough, it also results in increased negative camber.
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're mixing up symantics.<br>You are (and rightly so) referring to negative camber, he was talking about his actual ride height being lower in the rear. This has nothing to do with camber.<br>Some cars (volvos and your car in pericular) have the side effect of negative camber when the rear is dropped but, as said, that's not what HE'S talking about</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Duly noted. However..., "rear sag slightly for aggressive cornering driving?" implies negative camber by the contextual nature of this statement (or..., a lower center of gravity). I believe we both understand each other succinctly.<p>Mercedes Benz is the particular make I was referring to, but others including Volvo seem to have a similar approach. It was in this context that I posted my remark. Thank you for posting the appropriate clarification. I stand corrected.<p> -Wm.<br>
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit ([email protected])

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Duly noted. However..., "rear sag slightly for aggressive cornering driving?" <B>implies negative camber by the contextual nature of this statement </B>(or..., a lower center of gravity). I believe we both understand each other succinctly.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>No, it really does not.<br>First of all if you look at any (fast) race car the rear is NOT lower than the front and obviously they can set their camber any which way they can and want to
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>No, it really does not.<br>First of all if you look at any (fast) race car the rear is NOT lower than the front and obviously they can set their camber any which way they can and want to</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oops. Right again. I missed that ("rear sags slightly compared to the front"). I'm too focused on rear camber.
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (UNO_RACING)

I thought Eibach springs give the rake stance like stock and only Evolve springs give a balanced or sagged stance. Did Eibach redesigned the Pro Kit?
 

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Re: Ebiach Pro Kit (AWDRIFT)

They're the same
 
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