[Gotballs]

Hello all, I just recently upgraded the ECU for my 2001 S60 T5. I used a chip made my GIAC. I will post a link to the dyno print out, in the near future. The stock warm run on the dyno resulted in Max Power at 197.1 Horsepower at the wheels, and Max Torque at 212.1 ft-lbs. After the chip tuned by GIAC was installed the max power was increased to 221.7 Horsepower at the wheels, and Max Torque to 249.8 ft-lbs.
~Spencer~

 

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Wow, those are decent gains. How's the torque curve affected?

 

[bfavre4]

IS GIAC American, and how much are they?

 

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GIAC is American, and fairly affordable. I don't think they use flash. I think they sodder, but you should check with one of their distributors. Here's their link.
http://www.giacusa.com/

 

[S.R.]

Spencer,

Wow, 249.8 lb.ft of torque at the wheels! That is pretty sweet.

Looking forward to seeing the Dyno print out!

-Drew

 

[bfavre4]

Spencer, the T5 doesn't have 197 HP, the 2.4T has 197 HP. Did you mean to say you have a 2.4T?

Also, from what we've all heard about Upsolute in the upsolute thread, I think everyone is a little eager to hear some of your comments about the reliability and drivability of your soldered GIAC chip.

[This message has been edited by bfavre4 (edited 02-01-2002).]

 

[Gotballs]

The 2.4 S60 does have 197hp, but my car (2001 S60 T5) tested 197hp AT THE WHEELS on the dyno, which equates into about 236.4hp. With the upgraded ecu it ened up with 221.7 AT THE WHEELS, which turns into 266.04hp. In regaurds to the reliability of the chip by GIAC I have had no problems with it so far. Then again it has been only in for a day now, but I do not expect any problems with it. In regaurds to power, the chip is very noticable especially from 60-120mph. In about a week I will be dynoing my car again to see how the chip has adjusted. I will post the new results then.
~Spencer~

 

[Gotballs]

1st off... Were did GIAC claim that the chip would give me more horse power and toque than it did. 2nd.... you dont call 30 hp and 249.8 ft-lbs of torque at the wheels impressive?... considering no one before as i am aware of has made a chip for the 2001 S60 t5

 

[Johann]

Most standard new T5's are doing around 260 at the engine in dyno tests.
I've seen a few V70 charts and all of them had around 257-265.
My S60 was chip'd for the first time in December 2000.
Next week I hope to know what it's doing.

 

[AndrewC]

Hi everyone,
I just wanted to jump in here and clear up a couple of things. Spencer was kind enough to join us at the dyno last weekend, while we were tuning another car on the dyno. We took the opportunity to tune his car on the dyno, as we have not done any s60 tuning up to this point. We were curious how much room there was for performance gains with our 91 octane fuel here in California. We were quite happy with the result given the huge gain of power across the rpm band. This program should significantly improve passing power and 0-60 times.

As far as the testing paramaters...
1. Hot runs - Both runs (the stock and chipped) were hot. Cold runs would have exagerated the HP, and we need our claims to be reproduceable.

2. 3 hour window - All testing was completed within a narrow window to minimize day to day variations(barametric pressure, temperature, bad tank of fuel, overfilling the oil....)

3. 91 Octane - The best that can be purchased from the pump in California. Unfortunately, we do not have the pleasure of the 98 RON octane in Europe, which would definitely increase motor hp.

4. SAE HP- This is the HP standard of measurement used in the US. DIN is used by most European sources, and gives higher nominal value than SAE. So 247HP in the US would be 250.5 in most European countries.

5. Automatic transmission - These cars always dyno MUCH lower than manual transmission cars. Most Automatic Transmissions, like Spencer's car, lose 17% to 25% HP to the wheels as parasitic losses(heat).

6. 248C Dynojet - Different dyno's always dyno differently. Most 248C Dyno's give similar results, but other manufacturers' will be different. You also cannot fudge the correction factors like some other models to increase you numbers.

7. Delta - This is more important than any specific number. What is more important is the change from baseline. Even more imortant than a momentary spike in power, is to have substancial gains throughout the area under the curve.

8. X-Chip - This is definitely the level one program, designed to be very safe for the longterm of a T5's engine life. The next step will be a highboost version, which will probably be followed by one designed for racegas.

On the subject of performance claims, we are a little confused? We just decided to work on the S60 when we met Spencer, this last week. In fact, when Spencer was deciding whether or not to chip his car, he asked me several times how much we could get out of the chip. We replied that we wouldn't know until we tried. Now that we have entered into a distribution relationship with Eurosport Accessories, in Anaheim, we will have the oportunity to fully develop software for the Volvo market, as we have for the Audi, Porsche, and VW markets

Follow the link below to Spenser's dyno plot(2001 CA spec T5 s60).
http://www.giacusa.com/volvo/volvos60.jpg

Thanks,
Andrew
GIAC

 

[GrecianVolvo]

Kai,

where do you usually find dynos for testing? Are they expensive (to test)? Our emmissions dyno does measure HP but I am not sure how fast you can take the car plus the width of the roller is not that great, would feel kind of weird trying to max it out on that...plus I doubt that the mechanism wold be able to take it since it is set up for emmissions testing...

Yannis

 

[Vetteguy]

Yannis, there are lots of Dynos around. I can give you the name of 4 or 5 in MD but you are in PA.

A good figure is $75 to $100 for 3 or 4 pulls. Most of the time is taken getting the car set up on the unit. After the first pull, with some minor adjustments (usually), the subsequent pulls can be done back-to-back.

It's scary watching your pride and joy pulling up to the red in 3rd or 4th

 

[Vetteguy]

For the uninitiated, the dyno measures HP at the wheels. There is much debate about how much to add for driveline losses. The general concensus is that 10-15% is lost in a manual tranny and 15-20% with an auto but it varies for different vehicles.

I would like to know if the GIAC unit is flash or soldered technology and if it is available for the 2.4T (that would scare the wife

)

 

[Kai]

quote:

Originally posted by GrecianVolvo:
Kai,

where do you usually find dynos for testing? Are they expensive (to test)?

Yannis, I think Steve has already explained what I was going to tell you.

I wouldn't really worry about putting your car on the dyno. I'm pretty sure they have taken all the safety into consideration.

Go to dynojet's web site, they can explain in much greater details.

 

[Thor's Hammer]

I would dyno it so you would actually know the results. Do a few tuned runs and a few untuned runs, then you can see the actual change and not guess about the change like so many like to do.

Dyno that thing!!

Rich S.

 

[GrecianVolvo]

quote:

Originally posted by Thor's Hammer:
I would dyno it so you would actually know the results. Do a few tuned runs and a few untuned runs, then you can see the actual change and not guess about the change like so many like to do.

Dyno that thing!!

Rich S.

Rich,

the only reason that I would want to dyno it is out of curiosity as to what the actual numbers are. Based on what I can feel regarding acceleration and driveability, I don't think IPD "short-changed" me! I am telling you, it has made one hell of a difference in the way the car drives!

Yannis

 

[Thor's Hammer]

I never implied that you were short changed. Not at all. If I thought that I would have said it. I am not out to disprove claims by tuners as others on this board are. To you it made a huge difference and that is all that matters, but all I was saying is that you should dyno it so when people ask you, and they will ask, "what did it give you for gains?" Then you can give them an accurate number not a guess, and you would feel better about telling them that number since you DID measure it. I am sure that you being a salesman you will be talking about your car to as many people you can, now that you have a huge grin on your face every time you gas it.

Enjoy it!

Rich S.

97 BSR S3 850R

 

[GrecianVolvo]

quote:

Originally posted by Thor's Hammer:
I never implied that you were short changed. Not at all. If I thought that I would have said it.

Rich,

you are right, that's the way I interpret it...when you do not speak to someone face to face, you can interpret things differently.

Perhaps, I will dyno it in the near future, provided it is not expensive. Yes, the huge grin is as wide as it can be! I just feel that the end result was worth every single dollar I paid!

Yannis

 

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Hey Yannis,

We're expecting to do our ECU shootout possibly at AWE in Philadelphia sometime in the near future. I'll try to get you the dates and see if we can fit you into our dyno session. I'm not sure if he'll charge or not, but we'll see...

 

[Todd/AWE]

We have a Mustang MD250 2WD chassis dyno, and are located in Philadelphia, PA. We can measure up to 750 whp, and our rollers are specially balanced up to 150mph. We charge $90 per 3 runs, and $165 per hour.

We are also a full line GIAC dealer and install center (the largest in the nation).

Please contact us with any further questions.