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Recently, my father and I pulled the original engine on my S60 and replaced it with a newer one because the head gasket blew. It was a major bitch! We pulled the trani and engine out as one unit and put the new ones back in as one unit as well. In the process we kinda bumped up on the ECU and thought we kinda messed it up.<p> Anyway, we put the whole thing back together, made sure all the wiring was put back in correctly, and everything else. When we started it, it ran like sh&#....just my luck. So, we thought it was a throttle body issue because it was sticking and not going much past 3,000 rpm's. It also idled funny as well. Well, we don't have the equipment at our garage to re-flash parts (obviously), so we take it into this shop to get the job done. Well, the mechanic spent about a week on it and we were like, "WTF?" and he calls us and says that we need a new throttle body. We say, "Fine." and we buy a new throttle body. So he gets it and it turns out that wasn't the case. We had diagnosed all the problems previously in our garage and we knew that it was either the throttle body or the ECU, so we thought, "Sh&#, well we're gonna need a new ECU." Well, we bought a new ECU and gave it to him about a day ago and we call back today and he says that he's having trouble transferring all of the old stuff from the original ECU to the new one.<p>My assumption towards re-flashing ECU's is that it's all an automated process. You plug it in to something, press a button, and let it do its magic. I guess my questions to you all is, is this the case? OR do you have to look at a monitor and transfer all these files manually from the old to the new? Does this process take a lot of time? He said for us to call him back around noon like he always does for us to quit bothering him and it's really pissing me off <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0">. He's saying he'll have it finally running, but I have no faith in him. He's said things like this before. <p>Please, ANYONE, try and answer my questions. I'll be eternally grateful.<p>Thanks,<br>An S60 Fan
 

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I cant answer for how an independent shop would do this, but as far as i know, they cant. Ive worked at a Volvo dealer for 2 years and programmed many control modules. You have to download software to it (at least thats how its done at dealers) that is supplied from Volvo. You have to do it using vida. It is an automated process, and im not aware of a manual way of doing it.<p>When you say that you bumped up against it, what does that mean? The ecm is housed next to the tcm in the module box on the passenger side of the engine compartment. I cant imagine that bumping it would cause enough damage to warrant its replacement. There are a lot of different engine variations. I think you are more likely to have received an engine or trans that doesnt match your original ecm/tcm.
 

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No, it's the right engine (2.4 non-turbo). We just didn't want to put the engine and transmission back in as two seperate units because that's wayyy too much work (auto trans, not manual). So we put them both back in as one unit instead, which you can do from an extreme angle. We actually got the idea from VADIS because it says that you can do it. <p>And by bumping up against it, I mean we REALLY bumped up against it with the weight of the trani.<p>And thank you for your answer. I'm giving this tool for a mechanic half a week more, then I'm unfortunately gonna have to take it into the real professionals (ya'll specifically-volvo dealership). The only reason I said unfortunately is that it's very expensive, lol. I guess that's what comes with owning a car of high-quality, huh?<p>Can I ask you another question? How much would this re-programming or re-flashing cost by a dealer? I know a bunch.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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it probably wont be that terrible actually -<p>they will charge you for the software and the labor time it takes to download - you should be in and out in a couple hours, max.
 

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Re: (Bender)

To load an ECU or for that matter an entire CEM takes all of 10 minutes
 

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Re: ECU Problem (snake43)

When you said you pulled the original and replaced it, did you swap over ALL the Sensors and modules from your original? Depending on the year, things can be different. The ETM cannot be installed on another car without at least a S/W reload. Any module cannot be swapped w/o software reloads, otherwise they do not communicate over the CAN BUS. Even new ETM's MUST have software installed. Replace the Trans, Software. Window switches, software. Pretty soon you will need software to change the oil.<p>Sounds to me like you may have left the ETM on the nused engine.<br>Also possible, the used engine may have issues?<p>Yes, downloading software is easy. Its also easy to F**k Up if you don't know what your doing. A special battery charger must be used to keep system voltages within specs while downloading software. Failure to use the correct charger usually ends up locking up the CEM module. The chargers made for flashing keep the voltage at around 14.3 IIRC. Regular shop battery chargers can exceed 15-16V and will overvolt the Network and possibly locking up modules. I've seen many a charger fail during a download and cause battery voltage to drop too low and it locks up the CEM. Sometimes you get lucky and the Recovery Procedure can get the Network going again, sometimes you also need a CEM. But if the car at least runs and dash lights come on, then the CEM isn't locked. <p>I would personally give the guy a little time as he is trying to fix what you couldn't. He didn't replace the engine so he has no idea of what has or has not been touched. Really he is doing you a favor by even agreeing to try and get it running. <p>One suggestion would to be a Total CAN Upgrade. It will update all the modules on the High Speed CAN that have upgrades available.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by Oceans60R at 11:12 AM 5-8-2009</i>
 

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Re: ECU Problem (Oceans60R)

UPDATE: It runs fine now. The mechanic didn't know what he was talking about at all. My father and I finally got too impatient and kind of raised hell. My father and I figured out that almost absolutely nothing was wrong. We didn't need a new throttle body or anything, just the ECU reprogrammed, which he did, but none of this would've been a problem if he would've actually plugged the wiring harnesses back THE RIGHT WAY. He got a few plug-ins mixed up while friggin with stuff. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>This is a prime example of why we do our car work ourselves. There's a lot of great mechanics out there that know what they're doing, such as you I'm sure, but there's always those couple of jackasses, like ours, who can wast people's time.<p>Thanks, for all of your input on things. I'll be posting new pics soon! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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Re: ECU Problem (Oceans60R)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Oceans60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really he is doing you a favor by even agreeing to try and get it running. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>WTF?????<p>That is his job.<p>He is getting paid for the work.<p>If he didn't get it running, are all the labour & parts free?
 

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Re: ECU Problem (snake43)

And as far as the parts and labor are concerned- the parts we can always just send back to get our money back and the whole labor thing I'm sure we'll get a discount on. he didn't do anything for a month.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>SML</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>WTF?????<p>That is his job.<p>He is getting paid for the work.<p>If he didn't get it running, are all the labour & parts free?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Snake or SML, I'm not pickin just running through a scenario. <br>BTW, glad you got it running.<p>I guess you've never worked as a tech and someone attempts a job they cannot finish 100% and you are given a car and a mess of parts and nuts and bolts and the customer just expects you to fix it quickly and cheaply because "its so easy". <p>More times than not, its been totally fubar'd by the hands that were attempting to "save" money. <p>First thing is, this type of customer does not want to spend any money, hence trying to fix something themselves in first place, so even agreeing to work on their car can be a death sentence. Second, anything thereafter that is wrong with the car "YOU" (tech) did it because it didn't do that before "I" (the customer) attempted to fix it. <p>I've had to fix many other people's mistakes ranging from Harry Homeowner changing his own oil and literally filling the crankcase full of oil BUT only telling the advisor "cranks slow and no start" <br>Even once had a customer disassemble his entire dash to replace a blower motor but after he got it all apart, he decided it was too much for him so he brought me a box of parts and screws. The entire dash DOESN"T need to be taken apart and they only wanted to pay half the labor for just the blower motor and to "just slap the dash back together" This customes reasoning was that he made it so easy for me to replace since he already took it apart. Haha, that didn't happen. I've even fixed many other car dealers cars that their so called "Super Tech" tried to fix and ended up screwing things up worse. Many customers try to hide what they may done and for whatever reason, try and not tell you whats going on, just fix it. <p>Today at the shop an Mazda RX8 was towed in for a no start. Customer originally said it died while driving. Well after another tech spent about two hours looking at it, the customer came by and spoke with him and then admitted, he started the engine cold and moved the car a few feet in the driveway and shut it off. Bad idea, it washes the cylinders down with gas. You don't do that to a rotary engine and not a good practice for any car really. So there is a two hour procedure for pulling all the plugs, blowing out all the fuel in the chambers, oiling the seals, heating up the plugs and installing them quickly in order to get the engine turning while waiting for the right time to plug the fuel pump relay back in as to not flood the engine again. All in all I helped the tech get the engine running and the customer did pay, dearly. <p>OK, I'm done <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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What does get me going the most though is when another tech cannot fix and has done who knows what and it gets passed on to me. Now I ask the tech a few questions on what he has or hasn't done and they just really say nothing or Oh yeah, I already checked for a voltage drop on the ground circuit of the Body Control Module, its fine. Then two hours later, I'm thinking its gotta be high resistance in teh ground side but Technician A already checked it and it was ok. hmm, I better check and WFT? AAAAAA. A has been hiding on a three hour lunch/test drive to reset monitors on another car he can't fix. I suppose he won't miss a few shinny tools. Note: Techs with shinny tools either just bought them that day or never actually fix anything. All's they do is keep their tools clean and shinny and use a big old hammer to just break stuff. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Lol, I'll agree with you on the whole tool aspect, ocean. So true...<p>Oh, oh, you'll appreciate this one.<p>So, today at school I pull up and get the occasional stares, nothing out of the ordinary (not to be too cocky). I get out of my car and these two guys my age come up to me and start rambling things about my car, acting like they know what they're talking about, when they don't. If it doesn't have to do with horsepower or sound, they don't know anything. Hell, I bet they don't even change their own oil or spark plugs. So, they start sh*t talking it right in front of me. I'm like "wtf? ok, you're obviously threatened by me." I walk away, there's no reason to argue. They both own mustangs and that's fine, I love mustangs. We're a ford family (hence the volvo), we have 3 mustangs. So they continue to sh*t talk... so I snap.<br>I say, "Yeah, there's no competition between us, I'd rape you. Sure, your car has an 8, big deal. You'd beat me off the line, but on the highway, you wouldn't keep up. You see, my trani is LOADS better made than yours, that's why my car is capable of such high speeds, it's geared for the autobahn..if you know what that is, *******. My car is about ten times more aerodynamic than your box. I have leather interior, what do you have? Fuzzy dice on your mirror? My sound system is Bose, not that cheap-ass amp your grandmother bought you at wal-mart for Christmas. Anything else you'd like to compare?" And the moron goes, "Actually I'd beat you, kitty cat. When we bought my car, it was used for dragging. I used to have NOS lines and I could put them back in." I said, "No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't know how. Even if you did some how manage to put it in, you'd probably blow a piston in that bone-stock box of yours, so stfu." The bell rang and the argument ended.<br>Typical high school bs.<br>Idk, just thought you'd like to hear a nice story.
 
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