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Please vote as to how important such feature would be were you to order/buy an XC90 today (cost $1,895)<p>Yannis
DVD-based Volvo Navigation System
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Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (GrecianVolvo)
Its great on my girlfriend's S60, when it comes time that I should be lucky enough to get a new Volvo, it will definatly have NAVI <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0">
Its great on my girlfriend's S60, when it comes time that I should be lucky enough to get a new Volvo, it will definatly have NAVI <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Kaizai)
I think its worth depends on where you live, how much you travel, and how the mapping in your area is, and it is kind of expensive but... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/halfstar.gif" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://sc2.vcc.m.volvocars.se/bilder/pp/xc90/pop/w220_061.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>-Drew
I think its worth depends on where you live, how much you travel, and how the mapping in your area is, and it is kind of expensive but... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/halfstar.gif" BORDER="0"><p><IMG SRC="http://sc2.vcc.m.volvocars.se/bilder/pp/xc90/pop/w220_061.jpg" BORDER="0"><p>-Drew
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System ([email protected])
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> kind of expensive ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>KIND of expensive?! At $1895, you could alternately opt for...oh, say...<p>- A nice Rand McNally road atlas of all 50 states and the Canadian provinces,<br>- A GPS handheld thingie,<br>- A restaurant guide for any and all regions you drive in/through regularly...<p>And you'd STILL have a G note leftover. To spend at the restaurants and entertainment venues listed in your guides, of course. (Although, I'm guessing that the folks in the market for this particular vehicle and this particular feature aren't as penny-conscious as I am? I dunno.)<p>Oops, take a little off of that "easy grand" that I said you'd have left over. Subtract the exact amount of your insurance deductable from it. Gotta save THAT for when you have a fender bender -- which will no doubt be caused by your "fiddling" with your nav system and not paying attention to traffic! <p>Sorry, folks, but this one goes on my little list of "driver distractions", no matter how cool and no matter WHAT level of technological wizardry comes packed in this latest-and-greatest model. I've driven around with Hertz Neverlost nav systems (with dining and entertainment venues on it, etc.), and that thing is a distraction. <p>I might sound like a caveman, but get a $10 atlas and a $5 local area map and you've got all the "navigation" aides that any normal driver would/could need, in my humble opinion. Now, I'll stop my anti-nav-system rant and get going -- need to go make a fire out of nothing more than sticks. And fashion some arrow-heads for my spear. So I can catch a buffalo for dinner, of course. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> Tee hee hee... <BR><BR>
[Modified by Lisa62, 2:32 PM 10-23-2002]
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> kind of expensive ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>KIND of expensive?! At $1895, you could alternately opt for...oh, say...<p>- A nice Rand McNally road atlas of all 50 states and the Canadian provinces,<br>- A GPS handheld thingie,<br>- A restaurant guide for any and all regions you drive in/through regularly...<p>And you'd STILL have a G note leftover. To spend at the restaurants and entertainment venues listed in your guides, of course. (Although, I'm guessing that the folks in the market for this particular vehicle and this particular feature aren't as penny-conscious as I am? I dunno.)<p>Oops, take a little off of that "easy grand" that I said you'd have left over. Subtract the exact amount of your insurance deductable from it. Gotta save THAT for when you have a fender bender -- which will no doubt be caused by your "fiddling" with your nav system and not paying attention to traffic! <p>Sorry, folks, but this one goes on my little list of "driver distractions", no matter how cool and no matter WHAT level of technological wizardry comes packed in this latest-and-greatest model. I've driven around with Hertz Neverlost nav systems (with dining and entertainment venues on it, etc.), and that thing is a distraction. <p>I might sound like a caveman, but get a $10 atlas and a $5 local area map and you've got all the "navigation" aides that any normal driver would/could need, in my humble opinion. Now, I'll stop my anti-nav-system rant and get going -- need to go make a fire out of nothing more than sticks. And fashion some arrow-heads for my spear. So I can catch a buffalo for dinner, of course. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> Tee hee hee... <BR><BR>
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Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Lisa62)
I'm afraid it did come off a bit caveman-ish... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I use several navigation systems including Hertz's NeverLost and Volvo's RTI. NeverLost and RTI are worlds apart when it comes to an ability to safely operate a system while in motion. Volvo's RTI is the ONLY implementation (factory or aftermarket) that keeps the drivers eyes on the horizon and hands on the steering wheel while using the system. There are still circumstances when you should be fiddling with it but for 95% of driving situations you can use Volvo's system with minimal distraction once you're forefinger has mastered the 3 buttons on the back of the steering wheel (you'll only need brief furtive glances at the screen to confirm where you are in the menus when using RTI).<p>By contrast, NeverLost requires the driver to look at a screen inside the cabin below the top of the dash and it requires a hand on the unit to operate. On the plus side, it is easy to use (as is RTI but they're significantly different in operation) and I like the fact that it uses voice announcement of each letter the cursor scrolls through to cut down on some of the time spent looking at the screen.<p>That said, the literature on the new RTI does site voice control features which should make for some interesting, presumed, improvements.<p>We'll see...<p>Thanks.<p>-rollie<br>'99 S80 T6 w/RTI<br>'01 V70 T5 w/RTI<br>'04 XC90 V8 w/RTI - we'll see!
I'm afraid it did come off a bit caveman-ish... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I use several navigation systems including Hertz's NeverLost and Volvo's RTI. NeverLost and RTI are worlds apart when it comes to an ability to safely operate a system while in motion. Volvo's RTI is the ONLY implementation (factory or aftermarket) that keeps the drivers eyes on the horizon and hands on the steering wheel while using the system. There are still circumstances when you should be fiddling with it but for 95% of driving situations you can use Volvo's system with minimal distraction once you're forefinger has mastered the 3 buttons on the back of the steering wheel (you'll only need brief furtive glances at the screen to confirm where you are in the menus when using RTI).<p>By contrast, NeverLost requires the driver to look at a screen inside the cabin below the top of the dash and it requires a hand on the unit to operate. On the plus side, it is easy to use (as is RTI but they're significantly different in operation) and I like the fact that it uses voice announcement of each letter the cursor scrolls through to cut down on some of the time spent looking at the screen.<p>That said, the literature on the new RTI does site voice control features which should make for some interesting, presumed, improvements.<p>We'll see...<p>Thanks.<p>-rollie<br>'99 S80 T6 w/RTI<br>'01 V70 T5 w/RTI<br>'04 XC90 V8 w/RTI - we'll see!
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Lisa62)
Actually, higher on my list of "driver distractions" is trying to battle a map or pay attention to a list of directions while negotiating unfamiliar Southern California 75+MPH bumper-to-bumper traffic by myself! If I drive with my wife or someone else to navigate, that's a different story. When I bought my S60 several months ago, before I moved here, I couldn't see a need for the Navigation system... now I'm really wishing that I'd gone for it. There's no way the nav system would cause an accident, but trying to read directions or follow a map in heavy and unfamiliar traffic will. And as others have said, it's usefulness depends a lot on what sort of driving you do-- if you travel rural Montana where I'm from, it's a cool gadget that collects dust... if you drive in cities not built on a numbered grid or unfamiliar urban places I can see how it is a safety must. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
Actually, higher on my list of "driver distractions" is trying to battle a map or pay attention to a list of directions while negotiating unfamiliar Southern California 75+MPH bumper-to-bumper traffic by myself! If I drive with my wife or someone else to navigate, that's a different story. When I bought my S60 several months ago, before I moved here, I couldn't see a need for the Navigation system... now I'm really wishing that I'd gone for it. There's no way the nav system would cause an accident, but trying to read directions or follow a map in heavy and unfamiliar traffic will. And as others have said, it's usefulness depends a lot on what sort of driving you do-- if you travel rural Montana where I'm from, it's a cool gadget that collects dust... if you drive in cities not built on a numbered grid or unfamiliar urban places I can see how it is a safety must. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
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Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (GrecianVolvo)
I see people are saying that the nav system will cause accidents. It's not the nav system, but more-so the driver. And, we are talking about Volvo, so we know if we did get into an accident, we would be okay and know where we were going. I think it is very helpful. But people should have an idea of where they are going first and if they get lost, pull off to the side of the road, use the nav system to its fullist while giving it full attention, then once you have an idea of where you need to go to get back on track, then procede.
I see people are saying that the nav system will cause accidents. It's not the nav system, but more-so the driver. And, we are talking about Volvo, so we know if we did get into an accident, we would be okay and know where we were going. I think it is very helpful. But people should have an idea of where they are going first and if they get lost, pull off to the side of the road, use the nav system to its fullist while giving it full attention, then once you have an idea of where you need to go to get back on track, then procede.
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Lisa62)
Well, I can say as someone who has used the NAVI to take me a lot of places I have never been before, that it is great, and easy, and safe!<p>When ever we use it, we set the destination before we start driving, and once its set you don't have to do anything, it recalculates if you miss a turn, gives you audio instructions, its really not a safety hazard at all. (Sorry Lisa <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> ) Most of the time for most of the directions you don't have to look at the screen at all, enless the intersection is complicated, and it says something like "Make a slight left, then make a right, and keep left" which it does do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> . At times like that a quick glance at the screen to get a view of the blow-up intersection before you enter it is anyhting but un-safe. I see all too many people changing lanes and being unsafe in intersections when they don't know where they are going.<p>Again my vote is a big two thumbs up! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
Well, I can say as someone who has used the NAVI to take me a lot of places I have never been before, that it is great, and easy, and safe!<p>When ever we use it, we set the destination before we start driving, and once its set you don't have to do anything, it recalculates if you miss a turn, gives you audio instructions, its really not a safety hazard at all. (Sorry Lisa <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> ) Most of the time for most of the directions you don't have to look at the screen at all, enless the intersection is complicated, and it says something like "Make a slight left, then make a right, and keep left" which it does do <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> . At times like that a quick glance at the screen to get a view of the blow-up intersection before you enter it is anyhting but un-safe. I see all too many people changing lanes and being unsafe in intersections when they don't know where they are going.<p>Again my vote is a big two thumbs up! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Kaizai)
Okay, okay.... I guess if the Volvo system is <I>that</I> much better than Hertz Neverlost, then I see your point. But Neverlost has that re-calculate route feature, and it also has the voice saying "easy right, then right at the fork in the road", and so forth. But yes, I can see how fumbling with maps could be a distraction...if you're someone who fumbles with maps while driving. (Bad idea!)<p>I guess I'm just a closet "map-lover". I love maps. I get out maps at home the night before I go somewhere if/when I'm not familiar with the area. I keep a current set of local maps in my car and in my house, so that I'm always "covered" if I need to look something up. I'm a very visual/spacial person, I suppose. I always get maps for places that I haven't yet been when I take my family on trips to far-away places, often many months in advance so I can plot out our adventure. (You see, most of my trips are to places far enough away from home that we wouldn't drive there in our own car, which is why I wouldn't want/need a nav system, at least not at $1895. We typically fly, and then rent a car there.) Oh, well. That's just me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But I do see each of your points (above). If it's a well-executed system, and if it has those steering wheel buttons (I didn't know that!), well...I can see why somebody who's in the market for an XC90 might get all geeked up about it! More power to 'em. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Signed by me, the resident penny-pinchin' map-lovin' low-tech Swedespeed Member (ha ha ha),<br>Lisa <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0">
Okay, okay.... I guess if the Volvo system is <I>that</I> much better than Hertz Neverlost, then I see your point. But Neverlost has that re-calculate route feature, and it also has the voice saying "easy right, then right at the fork in the road", and so forth. But yes, I can see how fumbling with maps could be a distraction...if you're someone who fumbles with maps while driving. (Bad idea!)<p>I guess I'm just a closet "map-lover". I love maps. I get out maps at home the night before I go somewhere if/when I'm not familiar with the area. I keep a current set of local maps in my car and in my house, so that I'm always "covered" if I need to look something up. I'm a very visual/spacial person, I suppose. I always get maps for places that I haven't yet been when I take my family on trips to far-away places, often many months in advance so I can plot out our adventure. (You see, most of my trips are to places far enough away from home that we wouldn't drive there in our own car, which is why I wouldn't want/need a nav system, at least not at $1895. We typically fly, and then rent a car there.) Oh, well. That's just me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>But I do see each of your points (above). If it's a well-executed system, and if it has those steering wheel buttons (I didn't know that!), well...I can see why somebody who's in the market for an XC90 might get all geeked up about it! More power to 'em. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Signed by me, the resident penny-pinchin' map-lovin' low-tech Swedespeed Member (ha ha ha),<br>Lisa <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Lisa62)
Now that we all seem to agree that Nav is great tool to have, the question is how good is Volvo's Nav system compared to others on the market like MDX's Alpine system. I understand Volvo's RTI's hardware is made by Mitshibishi and software is by NavTech. Anyone got more info or links to the actually hardware? One thing I did notice about this system when I was at the Volvo Life event is that it doesn't have the bird's eye/3d view maps. Also, it is really voice-programmable?<BR><BR>
[Modified by skyslimit, 3:38 AM 10-29-2002]
Now that we all seem to agree that Nav is great tool to have, the question is how good is Volvo's Nav system compared to others on the market like MDX's Alpine system. I understand Volvo's RTI's hardware is made by Mitshibishi and software is by NavTech. Anyone got more info or links to the actually hardware? One thing I did notice about this system when I was at the Volvo Life event is that it doesn't have the bird's eye/3d view maps. Also, it is really voice-programmable?<BR><BR>
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Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (skyslimit)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>...the question is how good is Volvo's Nav system compared to others on the market like MDX's Alpine system. I understand Volvo's RTI's hardware is made by Mitshibishi and software is by NavTech. Anyone got more info or links to the actually hardware?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Acura's DVD Navigation system is supposed to be one of the best, but I havn't really used Volvo's very much so I don't know how they compare.<p>But, what I can say is that Infiniti's 3D Birdview system is superb and is unmatched in the industry IMHO.<p>-Drew
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>...the question is how good is Volvo's Nav system compared to others on the market like MDX's Alpine system. I understand Volvo's RTI's hardware is made by Mitshibishi and software is by NavTech. Anyone got more info or links to the actually hardware?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Acura's DVD Navigation system is supposed to be one of the best, but I havn't really used Volvo's very much so I don't know how they compare.<p>But, what I can say is that Infiniti's 3D Birdview system is superb and is unmatched in the industry IMHO.<p>-Drew
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Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System ([email protected])
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But, what I can say is that Infiniti's 3D Birdview system is superb and is unmatched in the industry IMHO.<p>-Drew<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I agree...from the standpoint of presentation only, the new Infiniti Nav system is tops. I just don't know how extensive are its features...<p>Yannis
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But, what I can say is that Infiniti's 3D Birdview system is superb and is unmatched in the industry IMHO.<p>-Drew<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>I agree...from the standpoint of presentation only, the new Infiniti Nav system is tops. I just don't know how extensive are its features...<p>Yannis
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (skyslimit)
There has been some different info regarding whether the XC90 RTI is voice programmable or not. The early info that got out indicated this but was later retracted. The true story is that it is not voice controlled (yet) but well prepared for it by means of software upgrade.<p>However it does have all the nice features described above (steering wheel controls, dash-top mounted display, DVD map, voice guidance etc) but no 3D view. The 3D view is a little more of a gadget since it actually shows less info than the ordinary 2D view but I guess it's a matter of taste which you prefer.<p>Both the software and the hardware is developed by Mistubishi Electric. The DVD map is based on NavTech.
There has been some different info regarding whether the XC90 RTI is voice programmable or not. The early info that got out indicated this but was later retracted. The true story is that it is not voice controlled (yet) but well prepared for it by means of software upgrade.<p>However it does have all the nice features described above (steering wheel controls, dash-top mounted display, DVD map, voice guidance etc) but no 3D view. The 3D view is a little more of a gadget since it actually shows less info than the ordinary 2D view but I guess it's a matter of taste which you prefer.<p>Both the software and the hardware is developed by Mistubishi Electric. The DVD map is based on NavTech.
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Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Audioguy)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The 3D view is a little more of a gadget since it actually shows less info than the ordinary 2D view but I guess it's a matter of taste which you prefer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Why is that? Can you elaborate, please?<p>Yannis
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The 3D view is a little more of a gadget since it actually shows less info than the ordinary 2D view but I guess it's a matter of taste which you prefer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Why is that? Can you elaborate, please?<p>Yannis
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (GrecianVolvo)
In the 3D view you only see things that are in front of you and only the closest things clearly, the further away objects are, the less resolution they get.<p>In the 2D view you see all things around your position with the same resolution, as far away as the selected scale allows you to. This view gives you a better understanding of your position on the map.<p>Actually, I think the 3D view was devised to better meet the customers who aren't used to looking at maps which is the case in some countries like Japan.
In the 3D view you only see things that are in front of you and only the closest things clearly, the further away objects are, the less resolution they get.<p>In the 2D view you see all things around your position with the same resolution, as far away as the selected scale allows you to. This view gives you a better understanding of your position on the map.<p>Actually, I think the 3D view was devised to better meet the customers who aren't used to looking at maps which is the case in some countries like Japan.
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Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (Audioguy)
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In the 3D view you only see things that are in front of you and only the closest things clearly, the further away objects are, the less resolution they get.<p>In the 2D view you see all things around your position with the same resolution, as far away as the selected scale allows you to. This view gives you a better understanding of your position on the map.<p>Actually, I think the 3D view was devised to better meet the customers who aren't used to looking at maps which is the case in some countries like Japan.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Thanks...<p>BTW, you meant to write that Japanese don't use maps???<p>Also...in the new (2003) Nav system which, by the way, has AWESOME enhancements (the Volvo people did a great job! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ), I see crosshairs. I like the fact that you can move the map sideways, but let's say I moved the map sideways quite a bit...will it go back to where the car is )on the map) after I start driving or I will have to do this manually?<p>Yannis
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In the 3D view you only see things that are in front of you and only the closest things clearly, the further away objects are, the less resolution they get.<p>In the 2D view you see all things around your position with the same resolution, as far away as the selected scale allows you to. This view gives you a better understanding of your position on the map.<p>Actually, I think the 3D view was devised to better meet the customers who aren't used to looking at maps which is the case in some countries like Japan.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>Thanks...<p>BTW, you meant to write that Japanese don't use maps???<p>Also...in the new (2003) Nav system which, by the way, has AWESOME enhancements (the Volvo people did a great job! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emwink.gif" BORDER="0"> ), I see crosshairs. I like the fact that you can move the map sideways, but let's say I moved the map sideways quite a bit...will it go back to where the car is )on the map) after I start driving or I will have to do this manually?<p>Yannis
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (GrecianVolvo)
Hey Yannis. I haven't seen the new DVD based system but I do know the CD ROM based system also had cross hairs (Map Scroll) that could be used to freely roam a map or to visually set a destination. In this case simply pushing the back button once would return you to a map depicting your current location. I suspect it's the same in the DVD based system?<p>If you don't mind, could you note some of the improvements you've noticed in the new system? For example, can you now specify say an ability to find the nearest Bank of America as opposed to simply the nearest bank?<p>Thanks.<br>
Hey Yannis. I haven't seen the new DVD based system but I do know the CD ROM based system also had cross hairs (Map Scroll) that could be used to freely roam a map or to visually set a destination. In this case simply pushing the back button once would return you to a map depicting your current location. I suspect it's the same in the DVD based system?<p>If you don't mind, could you note some of the improvements you've noticed in the new system? For example, can you now specify say an ability to find the nearest Bank of America as opposed to simply the nearest bank?<p>Thanks.<br>
Re: DVD-based Volvo Navigation System (skyslimit)
I currently have the Acura system in a 2001 CL Type-S and it works great. Prior to that I had an aftermarket Alpine system which was only CD Based but also worked well. I am going to be purchasing an XC90 in June so I am looking forward to the differences in the systems.<p>I vowed that all of my future vehicles would have this option (even the aftermarket products work well). It comes in extremely useful for getting to friends houses, travelling, or simply finding a better route to a known location from where you are. I sometimes use it just to estimate arrival time (which, surprisingly, is pretty accurate).<p>The only pain with the Acura system is finding a place by name or category since some items are stored in a cryptic manner rather than in categories you would expect.
I currently have the Acura system in a 2001 CL Type-S and it works great. Prior to that I had an aftermarket Alpine system which was only CD Based but also worked well. I am going to be purchasing an XC90 in June so I am looking forward to the differences in the systems.<p>I vowed that all of my future vehicles would have this option (even the aftermarket products work well). It comes in extremely useful for getting to friends houses, travelling, or simply finding a better route to a known location from where you are. I sometimes use it just to estimate arrival time (which, surprisingly, is pretty accurate).<p>The only pain with the Acura system is finding a place by name or category since some items are stored in a cryptic manner rather than in categories you would expect.
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