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I put my deposit down to get in line about a month ago.<p>My <B>first</B> test drive was about three weeks ago. A brief visit to the dealer in which the salesman did the driving. We put the top down. We put the top up. We put the top down. The <B>roof failed</B> to go back up. The dashboard told us the obvious. The roof had failed. We went into the service bay. After I loudly suggested they "simulate the customer experience in this situation" They went and found and read the owners manual to see what Volvo tells the owner to do when the top is peeking up three inches and the dash is dinging like you're the stupidest person on earth. Yep the manual is probably a good place to start. They got the roof back up by putting it into emergency mode. That made the car safe, dry and drivable. But they couldn't clear the error. I had to be at another engagement, so when I left them they were clustered around the car, diagnostic clip attached, reading to each other "now step on the brake". "Are you stepping on the brake?"<p>On my <B>second</B> test drive, I actually got to drive it. It was a nice day, 60-65 degrees. Fairly calm, light breeze. Some sun. I mixed about 35 miles of city streets and interstate driving. The strongest impression I got was:<p>The <B>body rolls</B>. It rolls uncertainly. It hops from one foot to the other like a kid that has to pee. It's the strangest sensation. There is no yaw right to left like a loose suspension. It doesn't jounce and rebound on the pitch axis. It rolls back and forth, back and forth. Hold your fist out straight ahead of you and make like you're turning a key. That's the axis I'm talking about. It's what pilots call the roll axis. <p>At under 45 miles per hour, it's the most noticeable. On the highway the road sensations mask the feeling. At slow speeds and in traffic where you are occupied watching cars and lanes, it isn't as pronounced. But in a straight, unmolested line between 30 and 50 mph on typically dodgy asphalt or concrete, it rocks like a little rowboat <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> from side to side.<p>The really strange thing was that the <B>pitch</B> and <B>yaw</B> axes were firm and showed nothing strange. The steering was firm, straight and didn't show any caster wobbling. I thought it might be the road surface, but I have been down the same road twice, once after the first test drive in one of our cars and once after the second test drive in our other car. Neither car rolled like the C70. Has anyone else experienced this <B>rolling</B> sensation?<p>The <B>second</B> test drive ended similar to the first. The second time I tried to put the top up it did the same thing. The top peeked out of the trunk and decided not to come out. Don't post a reply telling me to remember to keep my foot on brake and not to let go of the switch until the dash tells you it's open or closed, as the case may be. I'm well aware of the procedure and I was following it, same as the sales guy did on the first test drive. Any posting of this sort will force me to taunt you and compare your father to a <B>hamster</B> and your mothers scent to <B>elderberries</B>.<p>When I brought the car back I told the saleswoman the service warning light was on saying the top had failed. She got in the car and after a short <B>ritual</B>, the error cleared and the top worked. She said her philosophy was to <I>go back to square one</I>. She basically got in and out of the car twice. She locked it. Unlocked it. Got in. Got out. Locked it. Unlocked it.<IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> et voila' (or it's equivalent in swedish "and dont'cha know") the top now worked. No need to see the dealer to clear the error message. The error message was gone.<p>When she calmly explained this getting things back to ground zero ritual, I said "And then you touch your nose and spin around three times, right?" When she gave me the look (you guys know "the look"). She was trying to be polite, but it flashed. Kinda like a gun accidentally going off. So I looked right back at her and said, "That's not a solution, that's voodoo." I had this image of having to do this in and out shuffle on a rainy day to coax the car to work. My wife might reliably learn the special foot on brake, don't let go of the button ritual. The go back to zero ritual isn't going to work. Not on a car she won't be driving most days. My wife is a very lovely and normal person. Normal people forget these things.<p>SO<br>1. Tell me about YOUR driving sensations. Did it seem to roll from one foot to the other?<br>2. Tell me your roof stories? Is this dealer demo unit unusual?
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jimay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any posting of this sort will force me to taunt you and compare your father to a <B>hamster</B> and your mothers scent to <B>elderberries</B>.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><br>First post on a Volvo board Jim? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

when it comes to test drives this should be something the new driver does alone. even when I sold my modded z28 , I feared everything, but at the same time I respected the potential buyers posibility to "BOND" and dealerships should do this for you. a test drive needs to be alone, not salesman driving, not salesman next to you. If this is standard operation procedure , I suggest , try another dealer. there are times when you need the dealer there and other times you need just the car and you. test drive IMO is one of those times.
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jimay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> so when I left them they were clustered around the car, diagnostic clip attached, reading to each other "now step on the brake". "Are you stepping on the brake?"<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That's too funny!<p>I can totally see this.<p>Tim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jimay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>SO<br>1. Tell me about YOUR driving sensations. Did it seem to roll from one foot to the other?<br>2. Tell me your roof stories? Is this dealer demo unit unusual?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>3. What I can tell you is that your use of bold is annoying and the tone in which you present yourself seems arrogant. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I saw the top go down and then back up and back down again at the dealer... I could see it breaking after a few hundred times...
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jimay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I Don't post a reply telling me to remember to keep my foot on brake and not to let go of the switch until the dash tells you it's open or closed, as the case may be. I'm well aware of the procedure and I was following it, same as the sales guy did on the first test drive. Any posting of this sort will force me to taunt you and compare your father to a <B>hamster</B> and your mothers scent to <B>elderberries</B>.<p></TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Yannis
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (GrecianVolvo)

Am I the only one that keeps laughing when I read that?<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Tim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jimay</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>, I said "And then you touch your nose and spin around three times, right?" When she gave me the look (you guys know "the look"). </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You are lucky she was so nice, i would have told you to go [email protected] yourself and walked away wondering why such a [email protected] walked into my workplace.
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (dpinto1)

Yikes,<p>I still think it was funny.<p>This is what keeps the world a spinnin boys.....variety! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Tim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (dpinto1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dpinto1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>You are lucky she was so nice, i would have told you to go [email protected] yourself and walked away wondering why such a [email protected] walked into my workplace.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ditto.
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (t6tim)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>t6tim</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Am I the only one that keeps laughing when I read that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

I test drove one and my husband and I loved it. (It would be my car.) The roof worked fine, up and down, though we didn't do it repeatedly. The salesman rode with us, in the back seat. He suggested putting the emergency brake on when raising the roof. My only problem with that was that I forgot to release the brake, and none of us heard a warning noise, although I did see the light on the dash just before a guy beside us at the light warned us our back wheels were smoking! oops.... Guess I'm too accustomed to the warning bells and buzzes that are so annoying.
 

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Oh my gosh... okay... I know not to buy the demo from the Volvo at Kingwood, TX...<p>I think this is one of the best cars Volvo has ever made, personally... in terms of style and functionality.
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (Token)

Token,<p>I'm dead serious about wanting to hear what other people experienced in the ride and with the top. Stop your incessant posting unless you have some specific, personal experience with the ride and handling characteristics of this car or the operation of the top.
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

I've tried a few different C70. All T5. Great ride! Drove a T5 6MT last weekend and I loved it. No problem what so ever with the roof. I've tried both 16" un-studded winter tires and 18" Pzero Rosso and the 16" gives a more relaxed ride, but I like the more sporty ride that the 18" gives. <p>I will get my T5 6MT <B>very</B> soon! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (dpinto1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dpinto1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You are lucky she was so nice, i would have told you to go [email protected] yourself and walked away wondering why such a [email protected] walked into my workplace.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>That would have been a career limiting move. And that, my friend, is where women have the advantage over us guys - the look. Nobody is going back inside the dealership to demand her firing when she gives a guy the look, but it's every bit as effective as your approach. Heck, I didn't even think of demanding my deposit back. She made her point, eloquently, wordlessly, pointedly and effectively. I asked my wife afterward if she noticed it. She said it looked like she wanted to kill me. But only for a moment. It's one of god's great gifts to women, the look.<p>I was trying to let her know in a humorous, non confrontational way, that her ritual wasn't practical for the real world. This is the kind of advice you get from Microsoft when you try to get their software to work. (You've seen the old "If GM made cars like Microsoft" thing right? You know, "the right door handle would pull down and the left would pull up to be consistent from the driver's point of view"... etc.) If you read what she told me to do, it sounded very much like that sort of thinking. <p>I'm a guy that wants a specific button pushing sequence when the dashboard says "see the dealer" and a displayed confirmation that the error is really cleared, not just to have the error silently disappear. I figure if they programmed it to display the error, they might be able to confirm the clearing of the error too. Even more important, I don't want the casual drivers in the house to see things like this appearing then disappearing for what to them seems to be no apparent reason. They'll tell everyone the car is a POS and flaky. I can't have that, this is daddy's car.<p>But let's refocus you on the issue.<br>Do you have any first hand knowledge or experience with the ride and handling (that slight rolling) or the top?<br>I'm not ready to take my deposit back yet. I want to know if others have noticed these issues - if they really are issues and not just a single demo unit - and if there might be options available to change the handling characteristics.
 

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I don't doubt that the car is a pile of crap. I hate the S40, and I would be surprised if the C70 was anything significantly better. Sure its interior is slightly better, but I haven't driven it so I don't know how its performance compares.<p>All I pretty much said was that the way you come across seems arrogant and theres no need to write a novel when you could have just said it all in a few sentences. Do you think people would take you seriously if you go on about hamsters and elderberries, and then you tell someone to touch their nose and spin around? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I thought it was easy to read, and entertaining. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>What's he supposed to tell the lady after she says all the crap he has to do to make the roof operate?!<p>I would have have said something very similar in response to her winded excuse about not knowing what to do. I would have a smile on my my face, but I woulda said it. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Tim <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>PS. I would MUCH rather have someone tell me they will get some help to answer a question, as opposed to BS'ing their way out.
 

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Re: Driving - it rolls like a boat - and what's with the top? (jimay)

That roof <B>will be trouble</B>, <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> (and I said it first, over a year ago).<br>No way a 1st year Volvo with something mechanical (and electrical) that complicated is going to work right all the time.<br>Y
 
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