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I've found a good mechanic who's been wrenching for 25+ years that I'm taking my car to for TME Springs and an Alignment. He's NOT a Volvo mechanic per-se, but he already did my Track-Spec sways no problem.<p>Is there any sort of PDF instructions for the TME Springs like I had for the sways? If so, can someone please email me a copy to [email protected]?<p>Secondly, I could not find any R-specific alignment specs anywhere. Would these come up in his Hunter Alignment system or should I keep looking for these specs?<p>Since he's not a Volvo mechanic I try to get him as much info as possible...<p>Thanks,<br>-Aaron<br>
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (AaronSoto)

Just remind him to be careful around the shocks, their sensors and wires.<br>Alignment is the same as a V70 except rear toe. Try to get the toe close to <B>0</B><br><B>You still have to go to Volvo and have a SUM (suspension) calibration </B><br>(and yes, you must do this)
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (JRL)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just remind him to be careful around the shocks, their sensors and wires.<br>Alignment is the same as a V70 except rear toe. Try to get the toe close to <B>0</B><br><B>You still have to go to Volvo and have a SUM (suspension) calibration </B><br>(and yes, you must do this)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Cool, thanks JRL, so the alignment for the S60, V70, S60R, and V70R is all the same except for rear-toe, which I should get as close to zero as possible. Got it. And I assume he should have those specs, right?<br>I also have an old alignment sheet at home, that would probably also have the specs on it, I'll find that and take it in with me.<p>-Aaron<br>
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (AaronSoto)

When I had my car aligned on a hunter machine they pulled it up as a 07 S60R and the car rides much better now <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (AaronSoto)

If he does alignments, they're on his computer
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ClemsonS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how quick does he need the SUM? is it driveable (albeit probably not good)? like could drive distance to get to dealer?</TD></TR></TABLE><br>I'm curious about that as well, I'm having my alignment done at my fav prep shop, not at a dealer.
 

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yes the car is driveable...just will probably have even worse side hop and you wouldn't want to say take it around a track.
 

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My understanding is that it's important to get done ASAP, but it's certainly not urgent. I'll try to get mine done tomorrow, but if I need another day or two to find time to get over there I won't sweat it. I think one guy said he waited a year in one of the other threads I found on this topic and Scott Hart said in one post not to mess with it unless your headlights or something else seem off.<p>-Aaron<br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AaronSoto</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and Scott Hart said in one post not to mess with it unless your headlights or something else seem off.<p>-Aaron<br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>That's what confuses me, on this forum we have JRL who states it's an urgent necessity to have the SUM cal done, and I understand the explanation. With the lower ride height the system will behave as if the car was loaded with lots of extra weight. I don't know technically if this changes the damping or what it does...<p>... then elsewhere I can also read Scott Hart saying not to touch it if our headlights are fine and the car rides well. As a DIY kinda installer it's leaving me perplexed.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ClemsonS60R</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how quick does he need the SUM? is it driveable (albeit probably not good)? like could drive distance to get to dealer?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sure he can drive it, it just will drive like crap.<br>The car thinks it has 3-400 extra lbs in the rear and will compensate<br>It should be done as soon as possible.<br>Since I've delt with a bunch of lowered R's I suggest you do it. Apparantly some cars react differently than others but for the suspension <B>TO WORK AS IT'S</B> <B>SUPPOSED TO</B>, it should be done after springs are installes so the sensors can calibrate the new ride height properly<p>(I can't believe Scott said not to touch it, if so, Scott has been wrong <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> once in a while)
 

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Just got the car back, the mechanics said everything went well! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Here's some before/after measurements. I know the springs may also settle a bit so I'll have to measure in another week or so.<p><B>BEFORE...</B><p>FL: 13.875"<br>FR: 14.250"<br>RL: 14.625"<br>RR: 14.875"<p><br><B>AFTER...</B> (immediately after, without time to settle)<p>FL: 13.750" (-0.125")<br>FR: 14.000" (-0.250")<br>RL: 13.750" (-0.875")<br>RR: 13.875" (-1.000")<p><br><B>AFTER, AFTER...</B> (ie: after time to settle, 10/19/2008)<p>FL: 13.500" (-0.375)<br>FR: 13.750" (-0.500)<br>RL: 13.750" (-0.875)<br>RR: 13.750" (-1.125)<p><br>-Aaron<p><br>EDIT ON 10/19/2008 to add the "AFTER, AFTER..." specs.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by AaronSoto at 10:23 PM 10-19-2008</i>
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (AaronSoto)

It takes a while for the SUM to figure out what is going on. Don't be scared if the first 50 miles are like a covered wagon. Turn your headlights all the way down before the SUM, then, put them all the way up when done. If you can get some toe-out in the rear that is good for you. I have -2.5* in back and love it! -mk
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (pm200054)

Aaron, enough with the numbers... let's see the pics.<p>I might swing by today to check it out.
 

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Something's not right with those numbers or your measurements.<br>TME's should drop the FRONT <B>at least</B> 1/2" to 5/8". The rear used to drop about 1/2" but IPD and TME were fooling around with the rear rates so those can vary depending on when you bought them.<br>Mine were initially too low (for me) so I added 1/2" spacers to the rears and now I have my 1/2+" rear drop, (all I wanted)
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PhilUp</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My driver's side is also lower than the passenger's side. I'm guessing this is pretty common?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nope. I saw the cross country pics... your not big enough to cause that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JRL</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Something's not right with those numbers or your measurements.<br>TME's should drop the FRONT <B>at least</B> 1/2" to 5/8". The rear used to drop about 1/2" but IPD and TME were fooling around with the rear rates so those can vary depending on when you bought them.<br>Mine were initially too low (for me) so I added 1/2" spacers to the rears and now I have my 1/2+" rear drop, (all I wanted)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>FWIW I believe I bought my TMEs from IPD around December of 2005, so they were fairly early production units, whatever that means.<p>As far as the measurements, they surprised me as well and I'm anxious to re-measure in a few days, hoping to get my sum cal done tomorrow if they're not too busy. Whether my process was flawed or not, I did use the same process of measuring from center wheel cap to fender both before and after. I can see how the measurement technique could vary slightly from one person to another, but my before and after technique was the same.<p>Could my stock springs have "worn" enough that they shortened themselves over 4yrs/50K+ miles?<p>-Aaron
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (KillerB)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KillerB</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Aaron, enough with the numbers... let's see the pics.<p>I might swing by today to check it out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sorry, I'm a numbers guy... Hopefully I'll get to pics Sat or Sun. In the meantime I'd like to say that I REALLY like how the car feels now. I was surprised that after I had the F/R sways installed the ride got surprisingly stiff. It was the sort of change that I was expecting to come from the lowering springs so I was then worried that the TMEs would further make the ride harsh, but this has NOT been my experience so far! The ride seems better with the TMEs in, much smoother in Comfort, good in Sport, and even Advanced feels better. I believe that's generally what previous TME reviews have said and I now completely agree.<p>I'll actually be happy if the front doesn't lower much, I hate scraping. The minimal front drop with 1" rear drop might even make the front LESS prone to scraping. Add to that that the rear looks better and the ride is better in every respect so far, so I'm VERY happy with them. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!<p>-Aaron<br>
 

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Re: Doing TME Spring Install & Alignment - Need Instructions & Specs (AaronSoto)

Congrats Aaron! Now you gotta find a HPDE to do. . . . . <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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