Do you (or did you) experience rub at full lock with stock wheels and stock size tires?
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Re: Do you (Sue Esponte)
60+ votes in a day...that room should have a few people in it.
60+ votes in a day...that room should have a few people in it.
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Re: Do you (FineProperty)
I was kidding. I was one of the votes!
I was kidding. I was one of the votes!
Re: Do you (Sue Esponte)
Hey Eric - <p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_2.gif" BORDER="0"><p>If you must know, the reason I started this poll is because Johann said I was wrong when I told someone a majority of owners had this issue. <p>Hey Johann - Guess I was right after all - 70% is most. <p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_22.gif" BORDER="0">
Hey Eric - <p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_2.gif" BORDER="0"><p>If you must know, the reason I started this poll is because Johann said I was wrong when I told someone a majority of owners had this issue. <p>Hey Johann - Guess I was right after all - 70% is most. <p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_22.gif" BORDER="0">
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Re: Do you ("R" Kelly)
I actually noticed it when I attended my first autocross. It was hard to miss. And, after that, I noticed it when maneuvering through tight spaces in parking lots.<p>-Eric
I actually noticed it when I attended my first autocross. It was hard to miss. And, after that, I noticed it when maneuvering through tight spaces in parking lots.<p>-Eric
Re: Do you ("R" Kelly)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Johann - Guess I was right after all - 70% is most. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, you are not right.<p>About the poll, ask Jim to filter out the rubbish.<p>As a former mod I know how these polls are being used.<p>Pretty positive a lot of people running lowered R's voted for rub. Don't be surprised to find V50 and classic drivers in there....<p>Added to that, most people on this forum are here to bitch about their problems.<p>The people who have their R working don't show up..<p>Basically what I'm saying is that your poll is worthless..<p> <IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_6.gif" BORDER="0">
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Johann - Guess I was right after all - 70% is most. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, you are not right.<p>About the poll, ask Jim to filter out the rubbish.<p>As a former mod I know how these polls are being used.<p>Pretty positive a lot of people running lowered R's voted for rub. Don't be surprised to find V50 and classic drivers in there....<p>Added to that, most people on this forum are here to bitch about their problems.<p>The people who have their R working don't show up..<p>Basically what I'm saying is that your poll is worthless..<p> <IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_6.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: Do you (Johann)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>About the poll, ask Jim to filter out the rubbish.<br>As a former mod I know how these polls are being used.<br>Pretty positive a lot of people running lowered R's voted for rub. Don't be surprised to find V50 and classic drivers in there....<br>Added to that, most people on this forum are here to bitch about their problems.<br>The people who have their R working don't show up..<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes, another tainted poll............
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>About the poll, ask Jim to filter out the rubbish.<br>As a former mod I know how these polls are being used.<br>Pretty positive a lot of people running lowered R's voted for rub. Don't be surprised to find V50 and classic drivers in there....<br>Added to that, most people on this forum are here to bitch about their problems.<br>The people who have their R working don't show up..<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>yes, another tainted poll............
Re: Do you (Johann)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pretty positive a lot of people running lowered R's voted for rub. Don't be surprised to find V50 and classic drivers in there....<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, I was only expecting 51%, so I accept 72% may be high. But if people can't read...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>This is before springs, aftermarket wheels, or spacers. </B>Please vote yes if you changed tires, but kept 235/45x17 or 235/40x18 size and experiencing rub.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, my information is based on personal experience, word of mouth from people in the Forum and fellow R owners here in Germany.<p>What exactly is your position based on? <p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_3_11.gif" BORDER="0">
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pretty positive a lot of people running lowered R's voted for rub. Don't be surprised to find V50 and classic drivers in there....<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well, I was only expecting 51%, so I accept 72% may be high. But if people can't read...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>This is before springs, aftermarket wheels, or spacers. </B>Please vote yes if you changed tires, but kept 235/45x17 or 235/40x18 size and experiencing rub.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>So, my information is based on personal experience, word of mouth from people in the Forum and fellow R owners here in Germany.<p>What exactly is your position based on? <p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_3_11.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: Do you (or did you) experience rub at full lock with stock wheels a ... ("R" Kelly)
An interesting bit of info. I didn't have any rubbing problems with either the 18" summer tires or the 17" winter tires until the last time I went in for a 4 wheel alignment. Since I was getting ready for another session at WG I asked for the maximum negative camber adjustment and still stay within Volvo specs. Ever since I have had a problem with rubbing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
An interesting bit of info. I didn't have any rubbing problems with either the 18" summer tires or the 17" winter tires until the last time I went in for a 4 wheel alignment. Since I was getting ready for another session at WG I asked for the maximum negative camber adjustment and still stay within Volvo specs. Ever since I have had a problem with rubbing. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: Do you ("R" Kelly)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What exactly is your position based on? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Simple measuring and checking out the wheel surroundings, looking for tale marks and knowing the difference between rub and other sounds.<p>Provided the alignment is according Volvo spec.<p>And yes Kelly I can P a lot further. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What exactly is your position based on? <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Simple measuring and checking out the wheel surroundings, looking for tale marks and knowing the difference between rub and other sounds.<p>Provided the alignment is according Volvo spec.<p>And yes Kelly I can P a lot further. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/embeer.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: Do you (Johann)
Johann, since this is now a <IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_11.gif" BORDER="0"> contest... let's review.<p>You stated this...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most of the other rims offered by Volvo are 7.5J, the Pegs are 8J wide.<br>Added to that the calipers need clearance and even while already limited in angle the rims need to be mounted without rub. We all know Volvo went to the maximum possible with this setup.<br>Some people reported rub on stock R's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>To which I said this: <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Most people have rub on stock Rs at full lock. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>To which you said this:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I do not agree. Maybe most who have changed tires to the wrong 245 size?</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <br>Me: <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Johann, I had rub before I switched... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And there are 30 R owners in the local area, most have reported rubbing as well. <p>Also, at least half the board has experienced rub on stock, but I will double check to make sure drugs aren't messing with my memory. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>At which point I started the above survey, because I along with a lot of people I talk to (all stock) along with a lot of people on the board (stock) have reported rub. And to counter all that, you say: <p>1. They forgot they put springs on. <br>2. They are secretly not R owners, trying to screw up the poll. <br>3. You measured and don't have rub on yours. <p>But I never said "all", I said "most" and "over half". And with 90 votes (one of highest responses I've ever seen on a poll) 73% say yes they experienced rub with stock set up. <p>So, since it hurts when I have to get up to pee, how about I change<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Most people have rub on stock Rs at full lock. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>to <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>"Most R owners I've talked to in person and on Swedespeed have rub at full lock with stock set up."</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_12_16.gif" BORDER="0">
Johann, since this is now a <IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_11.gif" BORDER="0"> contest... let's review.<p>You stated this...<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most of the other rims offered by Volvo are 7.5J, the Pegs are 8J wide.<br>Added to that the calipers need clearance and even while already limited in angle the rims need to be mounted without rub. We all know Volvo went to the maximum possible with this setup.<br>Some people reported rub on stock R's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>To which I said this: <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Most people have rub on stock Rs at full lock. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>To which you said this:<br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Johann</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I do not agree. Maybe most who have changed tires to the wrong 245 size?</TD></TR></TABLE><br> <br>Me: <br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Johann, I had rub before I switched... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>And there are 30 R owners in the local area, most have reported rubbing as well. <p>Also, at least half the board has experienced rub on stock, but I will double check to make sure drugs aren't messing with my memory. <p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>At which point I started the above survey, because I along with a lot of people I talk to (all stock) along with a lot of people on the board (stock) have reported rub. And to counter all that, you say: <p>1. They forgot they put springs on. <br>2. They are secretly not R owners, trying to screw up the poll. <br>3. You measured and don't have rub on yours. <p>But I never said "all", I said "most" and "over half". And with 90 votes (one of highest responses I've ever seen on a poll) 73% say yes they experienced rub with stock set up. <p>So, since it hurts when I have to get up to pee, how about I change<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Most people have rub on stock Rs at full lock. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>to <p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>"Most R owners I've talked to in person and on Swedespeed have rub at full lock with stock set up."</B></TD></TR></TABLE><p><IMG SRC="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/11/11_12_16.gif" BORDER="0">
Re: Do you ("R" Kelly)
Rharder's experience shows just how really tight things are in the wheel wells.<p>I could start a poll with choices like:<p>__ I want less rubbing<p>__ I want tight turning<p>__ I want to be able to fit bigger tires or different wheels<p>As these things are going to be mutually exclusive, the last poll choice might be<p>__ I guess I have to accept it the way it is<br>
Rharder's experience shows just how really tight things are in the wheel wells.<p>I could start a poll with choices like:<p>__ I want less rubbing<p>__ I want tight turning<p>__ I want to be able to fit bigger tires or different wheels<p>As these things are going to be mutually exclusive, the last poll choice might be<p>__ I guess I have to accept it the way it is<br>
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Re: Do you ("R" Kelly)
I can testify: <p>My R is as stock as it can be. <p>1: no accidents,<br>2: no driveway/parking mishaps, no alignment issues because I already had it checked.<p>I DO GET RUBS. Yes, the very first day I drove it off the lot I notice it. Doesn't bother me though, because it's not as serious as other issues I've had.<p>sorry Johann, but R Kelly is right on this. <p>ps: i got 18in pegasus/rosso<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stevectsai at 11:08 PM 2-12-2006</i>
I can testify: <p>My R is as stock as it can be. <p>1: no accidents,<br>2: no driveway/parking mishaps, no alignment issues because I already had it checked.<p>I DO GET RUBS. Yes, the very first day I drove it off the lot I notice it. Doesn't bother me though, because it's not as serious as other issues I've had.<p>sorry Johann, but R Kelly is right on this. <p>ps: i got 18in pegasus/rosso<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by stevectsai at 11:08 PM 2-12-2006</i>
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I have rubbing in both directions with P Zero Nero's in 18.
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Re: Do you (or did you) experience rub at full lock with stock wheels a ... ("R" Kelly)
I voted yes here because that is factual however it does appear that evidence is required to validate voting. <p>My V70R is stock.<p>Tires are proper size and load rating, and inflated to recommended pressures.<p>Alignment has been done by Volvo dealer. <p>There are no spacers even though that may well cure the problem, it provides Volvo an easy out for wheel bearing failures.<p>Typical weight in vehicle is 500 pounds including passengers and cargo. <p>Steering is not at lock when rub occurs, however clearly steering input is backed off. <p>I have not even mentioned this issue to the dealer since any fix they would provide would make the already large turning radius even larger. And even though one does not expect this from a stock, $45K car, it is not that much of an issue for me, except for perhaps future corrosion issues.<p>Rubbing is much more on right front as opposed to left front, only slight on left. <p>
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I voted yes here because that is factual however it does appear that evidence is required to validate voting. <p>My V70R is stock.<p>Tires are proper size and load rating, and inflated to recommended pressures.<p>Alignment has been done by Volvo dealer. <p>There are no spacers even though that may well cure the problem, it provides Volvo an easy out for wheel bearing failures.<p>Typical weight in vehicle is 500 pounds including passengers and cargo. <p>Steering is not at lock when rub occurs, however clearly steering input is backed off. <p>I have not even mentioned this issue to the dealer since any fix they would provide would make the already large turning radius even larger. And even though one does not expect this from a stock, $45K car, it is not that much of an issue for me, except for perhaps future corrosion issues.<p>Rubbing is much more on right front as opposed to left front, only slight on left. <p>
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Re: Do you (rogersampson)
Not sure what happened with the second picture from previous post, suspect it was my error.<p><IMG SRC="http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1594/6/98/26/65/50/0/50652698609_0_ALB.jpg" BORDER="0">
Not sure what happened with the second picture from previous post, suspect it was my error.<p><IMG SRC="http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1594/6/98/26/65/50/0/50652698609_0_ALB.jpg" BORDER="0">
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