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I am intending to buy a set of sway bars.<p>These two items are on IPD.What is difference between these two?22mm and 25mm?<p>Are there any other brands that you can advise?<p>S60R 2004-05 SB kit 22mm rear (neutral balance kit) WS6K5146 $219.00 <p>S60R 2004-06 track spec w/slight oversteer SB kit 25mm front, 25mm rear WS6K5046 $395.00 <br>
 

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Re: Difference between these sway bars.... (xenophobic)

I posted the same question a few months back.<p>Scott Hart recommended the neutral balance kit over the track spec kit if you don't intend on taking your car to a track several times in the course of a year.<p>Essentially, he said that unless you're tracking the car often, you'd never really be able to reap the benefits of the track kit on the street and said that the rear bar alone (in the neutral balance kit) would provide enough control (and the possibility of inducing oversteer if pushed) to satisfy most drivers. So, therefore, by purchasing the track kit, you'd be throwing unnecessary cash at product and installation that you wouldn't need.<p>When we discussed it, I explained that I plan on occassionally autocrossing the car and hope to take it to the track a few times, if possible. He still thought the neutral balance kit and springs would be the best route for me to take. I haven't driven a car equipped with the track kit, but all I can say is that I am very pleased with the TME springs and neutral balance kit on my car.<p>-Eric
 

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Re: Difference between these sway bars.... (xenophobic)

You should just make your own!!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Difference between these sway bars.... (xenophobic)

ipd vs evolve sways -- which would you reccomend? i'm looking at the iPD sways, because they're a good bit cheaper, even if i were to go with the track spec kit..
 

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Re: Difference between these sway bars.... (mike_c70)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mike_c70</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IPD hands down. That's been their bread and butter for decades.</TD></TR></TABLE>good deal. I've sat dormant with the modding for a while, but today i went on a little rampage. I ordered sways, springs, engine mounts, filter, and brake lines.<p>i'm gonna have a bunch of goodies coming in the mail soon <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> i'm excited.
 

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Re: Difference between these sway bars.... (Cicada)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cicada</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ipd vs evolve sways -- which would you reccomend? i'm looking at the iPD sways, because they're a good bit cheaper, even if i were to go with the track spec kit..</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I had the Evolve bar F/R for about a year before switching to the IPD one. The Evolve bar is adjustable but my 1st gen bar doesn't fit my 05 very well with lowering springs. The IPD bars are better contructed and details like the way they design the bushing to hold the grease in place so the bar don't squeal like a pig and move side-to-side like the Evolve's.<p>If you are doing the sways and the springs, should look into getting the heavy duty endlinks from IPD since the stock one will fail over time.<p>You will need a SUM to level the headlights afterward and a 4-wheels alignment. Watch out for the ride height sensor in the back when doing the spring and the sway and make sure they don't rub with the OEM endlinks and lowering springs.<p>Bill
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Cicada</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is the neutral balance kit only the rear?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yup.
 

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I have installed the IPD trackspec set, front and back. Quite a bit of work, if you considering doing springs do both jobs at the same time.<p>Probably one of the best mods I have done, I love the way the car now rides, virtually flat in all corners.<p>Truly improves the car, highly recommended!
 

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exactly the one i was looking at.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lake Powell</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have installed the IPD trackspec set, front and back. Quite a bit of work, if you considering doing springs do both jobs at the same time.<p>Probably one of the best mods I have done, I love the way the car now rides, virtually flat in all corners.<p>Truly improves the car, highly recommended!</TD></TR></TABLE>
 

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Isn't the neutral-handling 22mm rear bar the same size bar as on the V70R? I thought that one could be had from the dealer for about $50. No bash to IPD at all, just trying to figure out the sizes that have apparently changed from '05 to '06 on the S & the V.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>jrgoffin</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Isn't the neutral-handling 22mm rear bar the same size bar as on the V70R?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yes, I have speedemon's 22mm bar from his V70R on my car. Not sure how much the part is new if you don't know someone with a V who is upgrading.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Lake Powell</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have installed the IPD trackspec set, front and back. Quite a bit of work, if you considering doing springs do both jobs at the same time.<p>Probably one of the best mods I have done, I love the way the car now rides, virtually flat in all corners.<p>Truly improves the car, highly recommended!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'll second that! It trully makes the car feel that much better! <p>I did the sway bars first and installed them myself which wasn't that big of a job and just a nut-and-bolt job. The springs I didn't want to attempt as I would have to have the dealer reset the sum anyways and if the install wasn't just right it could add up to some major labor rates. So by having the dealer do the springs and reset I put the liability on them. Plus I wanted an allignment done as well. <p>With that said, you will get tons of enjoyment from you suspension if you go with the "trac-spec". Don't let the title fool you....I drive my car hard 90% of the time and have yet to experience a serious over-steer condition as a result of the sway bars....... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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should be putting in the order for my springs and sways soon, as well as the beefier end links for the front [how many?] <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> ive decided on the track spec.<p>could be a while until i cna afford ot install them. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Difference between these sway bars.... (05s60r)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>05s60r</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I had the Evolve bar F/R for about a year before switching to the IPD one. The Evolve bar is adjustable but my 1st gen bar doesn't fit my 05 very well with lowering springs. The IPD bars are better contructed and details like the way they design the bushing to hold the grease in place so the bar don't squeal like a pig and move side-to-side like the Evolve's.<p>Bill</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Evolve Sways don't adjust every since I took my car over to Evolve to demostrate the damaged done to the control arms. They are now one size. I have to agree with the bushings. I've swapped mine out a few times and regreased...and still sqeeks. Someone out of New Zealand wrote me about swapping the Evolve bushings out for some IPD bushings as a fix. That get's installed tomorrow, but I'm ready to just pull out the sways all together and replace them with IPD's.
 

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Re: Difference between these sway bars.... (KillerB)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>KillerB</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Evolve Sways don't adjust every since I took my car over to Evolve to demostrate the damaged done to the control arms. They are now one size. I have to agree with the bushings. I've swapped mine out a few times and regreased...and still sqeeks. Someone out of New Zealand wrote me about swapping the Evolve bushings out for some IPD bushings as a fix. That get's installed tomorrow, but I'm ready to just pull out the sways all together and replace them with IPD's.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I finally replaced the Evolve with the IPD, the time and labor in trying to get the Evolve sway to work just isn't worth it for me. I am extremely please with the IPD and the QBM endlinks combo. With the Evolve and stock endlink at the rear, my lower car really load up the rear bar (you can rotate the car with throttle alone on the track before the yaw control starts pulsing the rear brakes - moral of the story, don't lift going into a corner), with the IPD/QBM, I am able to shorten the endlink at both ends to match the ride height, will see how the setup performs on the track next week<p>Billy
 
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