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I have posted this in the 240 forum as well but, as I am considering both a 245 and a 745, I thought would get this forum's take, as well.<p>Hi all:<br>First post on these forums. I am currently in the process of finding a project car for a SVO/WVO conversion. I am trying to get sage advice and figure out what the best vehicle for my needs will be. Basically, I am looking for a wagon to be able to haul lots of people and cargo so, naturally, Volvo came to mind. Truth be told, I have been a BIG fan of Volvo ever since I was a kid. Call me crazy, but while others dreamed about muscle cars and sleek roadsters, I was fixating on a beautiful, boxy, dream of a vehicle. Anyway, enough rambling...<p>Given the fact that I'm looking for a large wagon, my choices are limited. Aside from Volvo (740 and 240), there are a range of Mercedes, a Nissan Maxima, a Peugeot 504, and a VW Quantam. Now, everything else being equal, Volvo would be my first choice...and a 245 would be on the top of that list. I have my own reasons for not desiring the MB. The Nissan, while a reliable car with a much lauded diesel, is not quite large enough for what I have in mind. The Peugeot is going to be a nightmare to deal with parts and, from what I have heard, super slow (though very comfortable "French" ride). The VW Quantum will also be a little tricky in the parts department, as far as I can tell. So...<p>Here's the catch...and correct me if I'm wrong...please! I have heard that the VW diesel in the Volvo wagons has reliability issues (due to VW having just taken a 4 cyl. and stretching it?). Well, any reliability issues aside, any engine, even a diesel, is going to need help after so many years of use and, possibly, abuse from previous owners. What is it like to deal with repairs on these engines? How available and costly are the parts?<p>And one more question, just for good measure. What are the possibilities of swapping out the 6 cyl. VW for another engine? Have people performed this operation? What diesels out there would make for the best swap (Nissan SD3X/SD2x/LD2x, MB, other VWs)? Are the later VWs from the 740 an improvement (obvious turbo aside)? The MBs have a great reputation, of course, and the Nissan SD-series...especially the SD3x-series have gotten some praise, too (the SD3x were used in the IH Scouts. Not super HP engines, but they had good power and reliability). Obviously, it would need to have some power behind it but, more than that, for my needs, it would have to be of an older generation indirect injection type to be most suitable for the SVO/WVO conversion. I am more concerned with this conversion than with any excess amount of speed and power...as long as there is enough to feel safe on the road and do some hauling. Oh, and I am also quite fong of the 745, so if people feel that would make a better project car for my needs, I am open to hearing about it.<p>Anyway, I guess that's a good start. Thanks, in advance, for all of your help in this.<p>Cheers,<p>Trip<br>
 

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Re: Diesel question...what is a viable swap? (ventureforth)

Given your desires, direction and intent the ONLY option is a perfect, one-owner Mercedes 300D wagon.<p>George Dill<p>
 

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I agree with the MB 300TD with or without turbo. The Peugot 505S TiD was a POS except the eng (everything fell apart on my moms before 40,000) best used for a art class study model. And the 504's were good but parts for either are NOT anyware. The rest the VW Quantum/Nissan Maxima are the same really in terms of do you feel lucky. The Volvo's thou might be a better last ditch if you must choice. But I still am with Dill.
 

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Re: Diesel question...what is a viable swap? (Nato740)

Thank you for the feedback so far. Might I ask why the Volvo is not a good choice? Is the 6 cyl. VW engine unreliable...in any or all of its iterations? Are there other reasons, too, why the MB wins hands down over Volvo?<p>Thanks.
 

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The MB 300TD wagon has/had its very own problems all of which were remedied either by later factory fixes or aftermarket applications.<p>The later models were not as rust-prone as first editions.<p>Parts and repair are available and the Mercedes Classic Car Restoration Center supports this model.<p>None of this applies to the Volvo 240 with VW diesel engine.<p><A HREF="http://www.raceshop.org/streetcar/mercedes/wagon.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.raceshop.org/street...n.htm</A><p><A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/300TD-Wagon-Low-Miles-FOR-SALE-BY-OWNER-NICE_W0QQitemZ4636386835QQcategoryZ6330QQcmdZViewItem" TARGET="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem</A><p><A HREF="http://www.carsearch.com/783447.htm" TARGET="_blank">http://www.carsearch.com/783447.htm</A><p>George Dill
 

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Re: Diesel question...what is a viable swap? (ventureforth)

From my previous experience the older Volvo 700 series with the 6 cylinder VW turbo is a moderately reliable engine.<p>However, the largest issue with them is the mechanical fuel injection pump, and cracked heads.<p>If you ran "dirty" diesel through them they would ocassionally stick the wastegate closed and overboost the engine causing it to try and eject the head through the hood. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>There was also an issue with overheating, which is strange in a diesel of any kind, but I think this revolved around the aluminum heads on cast iron blocks on some of the models. (I think it was some, but it may have been all)<p>The last time I took a trip through 20PSI of boost on a Volvo Turbo Diesel, it caused such a severe cracking of the head that it came off in pieces when removed.<p>At the time, back in 1992 I paid $600.00 US for a good rebuilt head. And then paid $400.00 to have the mechanical fuel pump "adjusted - timed - exorcized" or what ever they did to it.<p>The only problem after that blown head that I had was that the car was an automatic, and really should have been a manual. Oh, and a tank full of super-unleaded gasoline which caused a completely unrelated issue. (Bone head at the filling station, didn't see the big green DIESEL sticker) <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Ad for putting a different diesel engine in the 700 series, I can't imagine what all would fit. I have routinely seen Small Block Chevrolets engines, and SB Fords, but I would be curious to see if a 5.7 liter Oldsmobile Diesel V8 would fit. It was based on the Oldsmobile 350R engine, but might be way too wide. Of course it would certainly be fun.<p>The MB300TD is a decent vehicle, but they maintain that, "If you have to ask how much the part is going to cost, you can't afford it." attitude, that caused me to sell three previous MBs when it came time to service them.<p>The Peugeot is right out. The parts can't be had regardless of price.<p>The VW Quantum is fairly small in comparison to the others, and if I'm not mistaken it's front wheel drive as well.<p>This may be an odd question, but have you looked for an Audi 5000 Diesel wagon? They were available here in the states, and the 5 cylinder Audi/VW Diesel is a very reliable motor with a fuel system suitable for alternative fuels. Who knows, you might be able to find one really cheap, and they're usually manual transmissions, even though they're front wheel drive.<br>Okay, Later.
 
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