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Well guess even though the car was a lemon, Volvo still turns around and sells them. I'm surprised looking at the Carfax, it doesn't show all the service visits. Think it had over 25 dealer visits when we owned it.

Well if anyone was looking at it, it does have a brand new engine in it as it was replaced right before they bought it back.

https://www.128volvo.com/used/Volvo...oston-ma-8f977e5e0a0e0a1776af99fef7be47d5.htm

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Well guess even though the car was a lemon, Volvo still turns around and sells them. I'm surprised looking at the Carfax, it doesn't show all the service visits. Think it had over 25 dealer visits when we owned it.

Well if anyone was looking at it, it does have a brand new engine in it as it was replaced right before they bought it back.

https://www.128volvo.com/used/Volvo...oston-ma-8f977e5e0a0e0a1776af99fef7be47d5.htm

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Yes, lemon's are sold by the manufacturer, via auction, as Manufacturer Buyback / Lemon vehicles. What did you think happened to the car once VCNA bought it back from you??
 

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I like the Carfax description provided by Volvo as to why it was bought back - "Electronic Dash Lights On" - seems pretty minor.
 

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Yes Volvo turns around and sells them.

We fix them and then certify them to be CPO vehicles.

Just because it was a buy back/lemon does not mean it is not fixable. I have seen and fixed a few buy backs and usually a buy back was to appease a pissed off customer. Sometimes it was stupid trivial things that I think could be buyers remorse or they realized they couldnt afford the car.

Other times it was 3-4 water leaks that a crappy technician couldn't fix..... then I get it and fix it properly.
 

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Well guess even though the car was a lemon, Volvo still turns around and sells them. I'm surprised looking at the Carfax, it doesn't show all the service visits. Think it had over 25 dealer visits when we owned it.

Well if anyone was looking at it, it does have a brand new engine in it as it was replaced right before they bought it back.

https://www.128volvo.com/used/Volvo...oston-ma-8f977e5e0a0e0a1776af99fef7be47d5.htm

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A buy back and a Lemon are two different terms that are not interchangeable.

1. Lemon Law is where you officially have the vehicle declared a Lemon and the Carfax will reflect this with a branded title.

2. A buy back (Voluntary or Forced) avoids the Lemon Title and doesn't show up on title other than ownership has changed back to dealer.

Volvo will take a buy back and a Lemon and resell them. Whereas Buy Back appears "OK" and Volvo MAYBE has resolved the issue (lots of times they remain), a Lemon Title will never reflect the vehicle repaired. A lemon remains a lemon no matter what happens. Even if Volvo finally resolves the issue (which again is often not the case).
 

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A buy back and a Lemon are two different terms that are not interchangeable.

1. Lemon Law is where you officially have the vehicle declared a Lemon and the Carfax will reflect this with a branded title.

2. A buy back (Voluntary or Forced) avoids the Lemon Title and doesn't show up on title other than ownership has changed back to dealer.

Volvo will take a buy back and a Lemon and resell them. Whereas Buy Back appears "OK" and Volvo MAYBE has resolved the issue (lots of times they remain), a Lemon Title will never reflect the vehicle repaired. A lemon remains a lemon no matter what happens. Even if Volvo finally resolves the issue (which again is often not the case).
You're wrong - a lemon titled vehicle always remains a lemon titled vehicle . . but the vehicle can still have been repaired and work perfectly for years to come. So to imply that a lemon titled has some inherent and permanent repair issue is just incorrect.
 

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Even if Volvo finally resolves the issue (which again is often not the case).
That couldn't be more wrong.

We dont just hold onto "lemon" vehicles or send them to the crusher. They usually get escalated to the field technical specialist if the highest level tech at the shop (myself) cant fix it. Then the Field specialist works with the technician to fix it and report it back to Volvo or the cause and repair for future vehicles.
 

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Yes Volvo turns around and sells them.

We fix them and then certify them to be CPO vehicles.

Just because it was a buy back/lemon does not mean it is not fixable. I have seen and fixed a few buy backs and usually a buy back was to appease a pissed off customer. Sometimes it was stupid trivial things that I think could be buyers remorse or they realized they couldnt afford the car.

Other times it was 3-4 water leaks that a crappy technician couldn't fix..... then I get it and fix it properly.
I agree. Sometimes one person's lemon is another person's orange. Not talking about this specific car, but in reading the forum posts I am surprised how often what seems like trivial things are whined about to the point where owners believe their car should be replaced with another.
 

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I agree. Sometimes one person's lemon is another person's orange. Not talking about this specific car, but in reading the forum posts I am surprised how often what seems like trivial things are whined about to the point where owners believe their car should be replaced with another.
More than you wish to know. Its like some of these people dont even drive the damn car prior to buying it. I get stupid complaints all the time that are remedied by either asking the sales person at time or sale or by reading the owners manual. I can go on for days about this annoyance but i wont.
 

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You're wrong - a lemon titled vehicle always remains a lemon titled vehicle . . but the vehicle can still have been repaired and work perfectly for years to come. So to imply that a lemon titled has some inherent and permanent repair issue is just incorrect.
There's no "real world" sample size that we have access to (General Public) for each manufacturers Lemon'ed and Buyback vehicles. However, seeing the number of times a user has brought back a vehicle to even "qualify" for a Lemon or Forced Buy Back already suggests a serious enough problem that continues to elude Volvo Techs.

So maybe with an unlimited window, these vehicles can be repaired. However, a lot of times these things are thrown up for auction and I doubt they receive that level of attention.

Heck, go look at the thread here where a user bought a CPO V90, which probably was from one of those auctions. Car had clearly suffered some sort of damage and was repaired with Bondo. OP bought at night, but in regular lighting, the car had significant color matching issues. Deealer's courtesy was a "paint protection". OP forced a buy back, and dealer has relisted the same car WITHOUT any mention of the previous damage that forced the buy back.

I'll sell you a bridge if I am to believe that these Auction Cars are given a fine tooth comb. Volvo 172 point inspection is an absolute joke when CPOing a car. These cars get slapped up for sale like any other vehicle with probably no more than a cursory inspection.

Dealers seem to figure if there's an issue, the buyer will bring it back in for repair instead.

My own CPO was let out the door with some glaring issues that had a 172 point inspection been done, these would have been noticed immediately.

1. Gearshift Knob Enamel was cracked.
2. Rearview Mirror had a very clear ghosting around it and needed replace.
3. Backup Camera failed to initialize semi regularly, albeit randomly. Easily repeatable on a few test drives.

Camera + Harness + Sealed replaced. Eventually updating software a second time in conjunction with the part replacements resolved the issue.
 

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There's no "real world" sample size that we have access to (General Public) for each manufacturers Lemon'ed and Buyback vehicles. However, seeing the number of times a user has brought back a vehicle to even "qualify" for a Lemon or Forced Buy Back already suggests a serious enough problem that continues to elude Volvo Techs.

So maybe with an unlimited window, these vehicles can be repaired. However, a lot of times these things are thrown up for auction and I doubt they receive that level of attention.

Heck, go look at the thread here where a user bought a CPO V90, which probably was from one of those auctions. Car had clearly suffered some sort of damage and was repaired with Bondo. OP bought at night, but in regular lighting, the car had significant color matching issues. Deealer's courtesy was a "paint protection". OP forced a buy back, and dealer has relisted the same car WITHOUT any mention of the previous damage that forced the buy back.

I'll sell you a bridge if I am to believe that these Auction Cars are given a fine tooth comb. Volvo 172 point inspection is an absolute joke when CPOing a car. These cars get slapped up for sale like any other vehicle with probably no more than a cursory inspection.

Dealers seem to figure if there's an issue, the buyer will bring it back in for repair instead.

Bondo is NOT a Volvo defect. A wrecked car is not a warranty defect.

Lemon and buy back cars are NOT auctioned unless a very specific dealer just cant sell the car on their lot. In other words, they dont auction it because they cant fix it, most likely they couldnt sell it on their lot for whatever reason.

Lemons and buy backs is due to a defect from the factory that Volvo has not found a fix for, having problems with remedying, or the customer is just a POS cry baby that is unreasonable (i have seen this a lot). I remember buy backs because the screen rebooted once a week while driving.

Every buy back I have seen is from either water intrusion that crappy techs didnt fix, crappy customer being unreasonable and impatient with software releases, or because of a computer/software gremlin that an individual car has.

When it is bought back that is when we have unlimited time and resources to fix it right in order to sell it and usually involves corporate engineers and tech specialists.
 

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And remember dealerships are three different businesses most of the time; vehicle sales, service, and parts. Sales dept could be crap at a dealership, but then the service dept is awesome and vice versa. Parts is parts basically, just find a good one that'll hook you up with discounts...plenty of them online.

So, I assume and "gunshow" can correct me if I'm wrong, sales dept would handle the buyback in conjunction with Volvo. Then sales would decide again in conjunction with Volvo what to do with the car, resale after it's fixed or auction if they can't or don't want to sell it on their lot.

And carfax sucks, but it's a necessary tool. When we went to trade in our Pilot the carfax said we had a major front end collision in 2017 in another state that I've never lived in. The dealer said they couldn't accept the trade until I fixed the carfax. It took me a few days to correct the carfax, but had it gone into the next month dealing with this issue I could have lost out on some incentives that were due to expire. I'm sure the dealer would have figured a way to honor whatever pricing we had agreed to, but it was a significant inconvenience for us.

So, I wouldn't trust carfax all the time when buying a used car...even if it said zero wrecks still have an independant inspection done. If the repair wasn't paid for by insurance it's up to the repair shop to enter the data into carfax and sometimes they don't or are convinced not to by the owner getting the repair done.
 

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Yes Volvo turns around and sells them.

We fix them and then certify them to be CPO vehicles.
A car that was bought back ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be Certified. The rules are very clear. If your dealership is doing that, it's illegal and against the rules.

Just because it was a buy back/lemon does not mean it is not fixable. I have seen and fixed a few buy backs and usually a buy back was to appease a pissed off customer. Sometimes it was stupid trivial things that I think could be buyers remorse or they realized they couldnt afford the car.
You are right. Once, I took as a company car a MY16 XC90 T6 First Edition that was bought back because the "collision warning was acting up". It never acted up with me. I took the car with about 2,300 miles in the odometer, 8 drove it for 5 months all the way to 20,000 miles with absolutely no issues. It was one of the best cars I have every had as a company car. Took two family trips that were 2,000 miles, each, it served us 100% problem free...
 

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Yes Volvo turns around and sells them.

We fix them and then certify them to be CPO vehicles.

Just because it was a buy back/lemon does not mean it is not fixable. I have seen and fixed a few buy backs and usually a buy back was to appease a pissed off customer. Sometimes it was stupid trivial things that I think could be buyers remorse or they realized they couldnt afford the car.

Other times it was 3-4 water leaks that a crappy technician couldn't fix..... then I get it and fix it properly.
LOL, this guy speaks truth!
 

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There is so much misinformation in general on owners forums . . but Swedespeed seems to be getting worse and worse. Just on this single thread you have a person who said something that was completely wrong, and then, even after he'd been corrected, followed it up with something else that was completely wrong! Gone are the days of someone saying "my bad, thanks for correcting me" and then just shutting up on the matter.
 

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Yes Volvo turns around and sells them.

We fix them and then certify them to be CPO vehicles.
A car that was bought back ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be Certified. The rules are very clear. If your dealership is doing that, it's illegal and against the rules.

Just because it was a buy back/lemon does not mean it is not fixable. I have seen and fixed a few buy backs and usually a buy back was to appease a pissed off customer. Sometimes it was stupid trivial things that I think could be buyers remorse or they realized they couldnt afford the car.
You are right. Once, I took as a company car a MY16 XC90 T6 First Edition that was bought back because the "collision warning was acting up". It never acted up with me. I took the car with about 2,300 miles in the odometer, 8 drove it for 5 months all the way to 20,000 miles with absolutely no issues. It was one of the best cars I have every had as a company car. Took two family trips that were 2,000 miles, each, it served us 100% problem free...
I wish Volvo would verify CPO cars are properly done. My dealer (and others I know guys at) sells cars as CPO that never got the CPO inspection because they don't want to pay us to do them.
 

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A car that was bought back ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be Certified. The rules are very clear. If your dealership is doing that, it's illegal and against the rules.
If it wasn't for helping an OP right now, and not wanting to affect his refund, I would give you 100% proof you are wrong. His car had an undisclosed accident prior to sale, was fixed with Bondo, and Volvo forced to buy back the car for failing to disclose an OBVIOUS damage repair (Panel Color Match is God Awful). Think OP bought car in evening and didn't notice. None the less, this was done as a Buy Back (Not Lemon). Title shows buyer purchasing car, then car going back into Volvo's Possession.

And guess what? Dealer STILL doesn't disclose accident damage that has been hidden by Bondo. Nor has dealer removed certification, even after being "informed of prior accident damage". The Cu De Gras is the car now sits up for sale as a perfectly "clean title" CPO with no mention of any damage or repairs...

Gunshow seems to have hit the nail on the head...Dealers are more than willing to engage in unscrupulous activity to move a vehicle. Including "CPOing" a car that should now be ineligible.

You are right. Once, I took as a company car a MY16 XC90 T6 First Edition that was bought back because the "collision warning was acting up". It never acted up with me. I took the car with about 2,300 miles in the odometer, 8 drove it for 5 months all the way to 20,000 miles with absolutely no issues. It was one of the best cars I have every had as a company car. Took two family trips that were 2,000 miles, each, it served us 100% problem free...
Some customers cannot be made happy and every software glitch is a reason to yell and scream. Fine I give you that, but the majority of people qualifying for Lemon / BuyBacks are suffering major issues unrelated to a "glitch". Read through the threads on here and all the people I've helped. I don't recall a SINGLE person I've assisted getting their car bought back for a "Software Problem".
 

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I was just surprised it was being sold at a Volvo dealer, I thought they got auctioned off and those small independent used car places sell them. I would think Volvo wouldn’t be in the business of selling branded titles.

It’s funny how clean the carfax looks besides what issues I had with the vehicle.

I do have to say that a majority of the issues got fixed, but buying a brand new car that cost 70k shouldn’t have any major issues.

Went through 4 sets of brakes, new axles, several software updates, new battery, rear diff, new intake manifold, new injector, new front seat, new rear middle seat guides, new struts, last straw was the new engine.


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