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Which did you go with, and why?<p>I went with coilovers, and here's why: <p>Adjustability: I wasn't even sure how much I wanted to lower my car, and if I went too low I wanted to be able to lift it back up in the winter time. Adjustability of the fronts are a snap. I have to either get a bit creative with the rear, or partially disassemble some of the rear suspension to get to the rear pieces. (excuse my lack of proper terminology here. I'm drawing a blank or two. I might post pics of why later if anyone needs me to)<p>Comparable price: A good set of springs and a set of struts (which in my experience you will need to replace your stock struts sooner than later if you combine stock struts with a lowering spring) is around what I paid for my coilovers, if not more. I got a very "low end" coilover, and yes, I may come to regret it, only time will tell. If I do, I'll just have to remind myself of the money I saved, to console myself. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> Even so, for the money I paid the ability to adjust my height and go much lower than if I had bought a set of springs is well worth it to me.<p>I thought I'd also throw some prices in here just to show people at what they are looking at. Of course these can vary, and for the most part are "MSRP" prices pulled from different sites. All should be in USD, I'm just doing a quick google search here. Oh, and I'd like to mention I only made this thread (I feel like I'm beating a dead horse by discussing it more) because I got a pm and couldn't answer it without getting an annoying 500 character limit warning, and I guess I'm a bit more long winded than that. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"><p><B>SPRINGS</B><p>-Evolve (Graphite or Blue): $329<br>-Heico (FWD): $329<br>-Heico (AWD): $379<br>-Eibach (FWD) $300 (if you purchase the Koni struts with them, price from EST, didn't price the Eibach individually.)<br>-Volvo Sport lowering springs: $??? (anyone want to help me out here?)<br>-Eibach Pro Kit (AWD): $237<br>-Eibach Pro Kit (FWD): $229<br>-H&R (FWD): $229<p><B>Coilovers</B><p>-K-Sport: $1400<br>-KW V1 (AWD & FWD): $1513<br>-KW V2 (AWD): $1941<br>-Heico (FWD): $1800<br>-Heico (AWD): $2000<br>-H&R (FWD): $1321<p><B>Struts</B><p>-Koni FSD (FWD): $780<br>-Koni FSD w/ Eibach Springs (FWD): $1080<br>-Billstein: $164-$374 (depending on front or rear. Some have no MSRP at all. Also list same PN as the Mazda 3. <A HREF="http://www.bilsteinus.com/cart/ymm.php?year=2005&make=VOLVO&model=S40&zenid" TARGET="_blank">http://www.bilsteinus.com/cart...zenid</A>: )<p>I'm sure I'm missing some, and I'm not listing adjustable camber arms, but I think the consensus here is that these are necessary for a lowered car, and will eventually pay for themselves with the proper alignment they give, which leads to longer tire life. (wish somebody spelled that out for me.) I also left out Mazda stuff, as we still don't have a definitive answer on wether or not this is a good idea, with different spring rates, and the Volvo being heavier.<p>I'll just leave sway bars, strut bars, and other bracing out of this thread, since this is about height adjustment, and I have yet to look into this myself, so <I>really</I> don't know what I'm talking about. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0"><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by mofolicious at 1:52 PM 8-5-2009</i>
 

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The H&R coilovers at tirerack.com are the cheapest you can find online.<p>The H&R coilovers are Bilstein-based, BTW. <p>I wouldn't trust K-Sport...
 

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I'm getting my KW V2s installed as soon as my replacement rear springs show up. I chose them because they have great reviews and KW is a quality brand. I bought them a good year or two early because turboah had them for such a great deal so I saved around a grand or so. Being used they are not perfect looking but with the rear springs replaced under warranty they will be good as new in their functioning. <br>KW has great customer service and all, but the one thing that really kills me is their color scheme, it doesn't go with almost any color scheme I can think of on a car. I am thinking of getting them powder coated but I also might be doing a sponsorship so I think they would be mad if I changed their trademark colors.<br>I will post up my thoughts on the ride quality after I've had them on for awhile.<p>On the other hand, I think the K Sport are reasonably nice, especially for the price. Heico is my favorite aftermarket company for our cars, but their prices really deter me from getting their big stuff...
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>genjy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The H&R coilovers at tirerack.com are the cheapest you can find online.<p>The H&R coilovers are Bilstein-based, BTW. <p>I wouldn't trust K-Sport...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>All I saw were the springs not coilovers... and they're the biggest drop! 1.4" font and rear. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>genjy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The H&R coilovers at tirerack.com are the cheapest you can find online.<p>The H&R coilovers are Bilstein-based, BTW. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Added.<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>genjy</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't trust K-Sport...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I will, and did. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> So far so good. <p>I also find it funny that you won't use K-Sport, but will throw stuff made for the Mazda on your car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: (USAF 2010 T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>USAF 2010 T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>All I saw were the springs not coilovers... and they're the biggest drop! 1.4" font and rear. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Apparently only available in FWD. Much more variety for the FWD people. It would be nice if we could figure out what the major differences are (obviously spring rate comes in here) and what the consequences of lowering an AWD car too far. I know I had problems with driveline angle on my FWD, could it be that the AWD suffers from the same problem except worse?
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>BtownVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">KW's<p>Hands down. Do it right the first time</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Also forgot to note that there were V3s listed at the site I referenced, but the prices were the same as V1s. Could be a third better variant on the way. That being said, do you spring for the V2s, wait for the V3s, or go for the Heicos (which use KW coilovers, but "tweaked")?
 

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Nope, the site is wrong. No V3s for S40s. I know because I spent about 2 hours and counting today talking to KW, and I specifically asked about the V3 and they said it is not available for our application. They said the V2s are the best option for our cars right now. Interestingly enough though, he said for other vehicles he would recommend V1 or v3...he didn't really expound upon the reasoning though.
 

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Interesting. Definitely something that anyone shopping for KW coilovers should consider. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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There was a good writeup on a mazdaspeed forum about the different variants. V1's were good but basic (which is what I ordered), the V2's were best suited, and the V3's were super smooth on the track. So much so that the car felt vague in corners. They may not make V3's for the S40, but they do for the Mazda3...which I will confirm on next tuesday <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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That would be worth looking into for the FWD guys, but us AWD guys get the shaft on options. The only thing that worries me about the mazda conversion stuff is the weight difference and spring ratios being different. I asked a suspension guy about that once and he said it really comes down to the specific vehicle on whether or not it will be an issue, but that he wouldn't recommend it unless they were very close in weight.<p>EDIT: And let me just paraphrase the KW guy in that "people think if they buy the race kit (similar to the v3) it will make their car handle better, when in actuality it ruins your ride and your driving experience because they are designed to be used with race slicks and require more power for them to be used properly. It is better to get one of the other options if you are running street tires and it isn't a dedicated track car" or something along those lines.
 

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I doubt it will be much of an issue. Worst case scenario, I order a set of new rear springs (since the fronts are exactly the same spring) for $80 and i'm cherry!
 

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Yeah, that sounds like a good way to fix the issue if it arises. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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It's a suspension thread so I can't really stay out of it lol....<p>I run KW V1s on my car and have been more than happy with my choice. I chose coilovers over springs/struts on my car because the coilovers are paired with a shorter strut body designed to handle the rigors of riding low without bottoming out. I also prefer the ride of coilovers to progressive rate springs but all technicalities aside, it's more of a personal preference for me. I've done loooots of different setups in the past and have always been happiest with coilovers.<br>I didn't go with V2s because I don't feel that I need adjustable dampening on this car. It's my daily driver, I don't track it and probably would never bother to adjust it more than once anyways. <br>I won't comment on the cost because it seems that there is still a great deal of variation between Canadian and US pricing.
 

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Re: (Moofluffen)

lol?<p><A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEX-Coilover-Mazda-3_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem5ad1f0225dQQitemZ390069232221QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories" TARGET="_blank">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ories</A><p>I'm so tempted to try mazda 3 parts.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>USAF 2010 T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>All I saw were the springs not coilovers... and they're the biggest drop! 1.4" font and rear. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/cool.gif" BORDER="0"> <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>H&R Street-Perf. Coil-Over for your 2009 Volvo S40 T5 FWD<p>Front and Rear fitment<br>Ride Height: Threaded Adjustment<br>Note: Avg low 1.25-2.3"F .75-2.0"R<br>Lowering height varies by engine size and model.<p>Price: $1,321.00 (kit)<br>Estimated Availability: Fewer than 2<br>Manufacturer Part #: 29197.2 <p><A HREF="http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?&make=H%26R&model=Street-Perf.+Coil-Over&group=Street-Perf.+Coil-Over&autoMake=Volvo&autoModel=S40&autoYear=2009&autoModClar=T5+FWD&partNum=29197.2&perfCode=S" TARGET="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/suspen...ode=S</A>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mofolicious</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>I also find it funny that you won't use K-Sport, but will throw stuff made for the Mazda on your car. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>The Mazdaspeed3 struts and shocks were used. The previous owner put about 5000 miles on them.<p>I got the whole set for $150... couldn't hurt to try. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>They are backups for my Mazda5 now.
 

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My guy can get me K sports for 800$ maybe i should jump on that deal. Ive heard all the same stories about them failing yet no one has actually experienced it themselves <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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