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As far as the endurance test that Keith22 mentioned, if they are only testing 1 vehicle, I guess it's an interesting data point, but statistically is N = 1. Hardly a reliable population from which to extrapolate and predict an entire MY.
You're being far, far too kind so I'll say it. A sample size of N=1 means absolutely nothing, it's just garbage. Unfortunately many don't know why or care why this matters - all that matters is that someone said it so it must be true. Alas . . .
 

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You're being far, far too kind so I'll say it. A sample size of N=1 means absolutely nothing, it's just garbage. Unfortunately many don't know why or care why this matters - all that matters is that someone said it so it must be true. Alas . . .
Well…..a car driven a bazillion miles that has tons of problems or virtually none at all so give SOME idea of the trend one would see over loooong term ownership. It does indicate to a degree certain systems like HVAC or drivetrain may show considerable strength or weakness. I’m not sure it’s the gospel truth, but I don’t think the word garage is accurate either.
 

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Consumer Reports use to be relevant. They are the same lazy reporting as I saw from Cnet. On another forum, a Cnet writer literally stole the video and footage from someone without permission when "reviewing the product". Not only did they take the footage out of context, but they did so without permission of the owner.

Point here is that Consumer Reports sends out reviews. Yes this has merit. But their understanding of the product and ability to interpret these reviews is half-assed. Their 5 minutes of playing with the product superficially doesn't give them an intricate understanding. It'd be like taking a 1 hour seminar on how to program. Then thinking you can walk up to Microsoft and Demand a job.

You'll find more help from the Bogus Reviews / Purchased Reviews on Amazon than you will from Consumer Reports. 20 years ago, everyone ran to it before the internet. These days, the internet far eclipses any merit the magazine use to hold.

About the only relevance of consumer reports now (and I'm sure the internet can tell you the same thing) is how much is "invoice" on a car. Although right now with people paying 110% of MSRP, that information is useless. Along with their supposed insight into reliability.

Is Volvo Reliable? Well from my own car it's had numerous issues. But this is anecdotal. I don't think any luxury brand outside of MAYBE LEXUS has a solid track record for reliability.

If you want a car that'll last a million miles and be cheap to own, buy a Honda or a Toyota. I don't need Consumer Reports to tell me this information.
 
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"I don't think any luxury brand outside of MAYBE LEXUS has a solid track record for reliability."


My 2013 and 2017 Porsches have been 100% reliable. (Boxster and 911)
One recall for an expansion tank fix.
You will find Porsche at the Top or near the Top in any quality review.
I had a Taycan Cross Tourism on order but when my order came up, my wife refused to drive a Porsche.
She likes Volvo of which we have two XC70's.
She would like a smaller vehicle but for safety reasons that is not going to happen.
So it's XC90. Cayenne, MB, AUDI or whatever in a full size SUV or lifted wagon.
I am extremely concerned over Volvo reliability at this time.
Waiting for new Battery in the XC90 before making decision.
 
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I’m on my second Volvo. My first was a very early 2003 Xc90. It was way down the list at CR for problems for some years- my experience mirrored that exactly. Nothing major mechanically, just trim pieces coming loose, the gas door came off etc. It was an advanced SUV at its time (so more chance of issues than with a "simpler” car ), as some have said favors the Japanese brands, yet it was dogged by so many little issues. CR got that part right, but as far as big issues that made the car not drivable, I had none. I believe the average reader of CR just sees the ranking but not always the reason.
 

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I’m on my second Volvo. My first was a very early 2003 Xc90. It was way down the list at CR for problems for some years- my experience mirrored that exactly. Nothing major mechanically, just trim pieces coming loose, the gas door came off etc. It was an advanced SUV at its time (so more chance of issues than with a "simpler” car ), as some have said favors the Japanese brands, yet it was dogged by so many little issues. CR got that part right, but as far as big issues that made the car not drivable, I had none. I believe the average reader of CR just sees the ranking but not always the reason.
While the power train is fairly reliable, Volvo's have had those types of issues for years. I recall my family's 78 245DL with the same issues
 

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While the power train is fairly reliable, Volvo's have had those types of issues for years. I recall my family's 78 245DL with the same issues
Well, i guess based on another persons outlook. Your experience means nothing. Bc sample size n = 1, or n= 2 , for you and white3 , is garbage. It don't matter.

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You need to consider a few things when rating new cars like this.
One is WHAT was the problem. If the radio is wonky in 50% of X car but the engine fails in 25% of Y car, I think X is still a better car.
The other is this is NEW cars that would be under warranty. If some large percentage of X car shipped with defective windshield washer pumps, but X replaces them under warranty and the replacement pumps work fine, who cares? OTOH if the window regulators fail and then the replacements fail and then those replacements fail and on and on, that car has an issue. BMW looking at you on that one, their window regulators have been bad for decades :mad:
And then there’s me with 4BMW’s in over 20 yrs and never had a window regulator issue.....
 
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I’ve generally been lucky with Volvos, I always thought, but then again maybe I’ve been tolerant of some things that I’d never have had to deal with from another carmaker.
But our experience with the XC40 Recharge EV and the dealer network has assured we will look elsewhere next time (we’ve never had any other make of car before).
 

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Well, i guess based on another persons outlook. Your experience means nothing. Bc sample size n = 1, or n= 2 , for you and white3 , is garbage. It don't matter.
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We are just relating our own experience with our own cars. In no way does that mean we have just defined the reliability of Volvo. Saying our experience means nothing is in effect saying your experience and everyone else on the forums experience means nothing.
 

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And then there’s me with 4BMW’s in over 20 yrs and never had a window regulator issue.....
Look on the forums - it is a VERY common issue. Mine went 1-2-3-4 over the space of 2 years. On the good side the replacements were cheap, I guess you get economy of scale making them over and over :rolleyes:
* it may be fixed NOW, but it was a thing for at least the E36-E90 era
 

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We are just relating our own experience with our own cars. In no way does that mean we have just defined the reliability of Volvo. Saying our experience means nothing is in effect saying your experience and everyone else on the forums experience means nothing.
Well, i guess based on another persons outlook. Your experience means nothing. Bc sample size n = 1, or n= 2 , for you and white3 , is garbage. It don't matter.
 

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Remember, our anecdotal experience may or may not be isolated incident. Statistics and probabilities are at play. If multiple people have the same issue over and over to such a degree it's repeatable, then it's likely not an anomaly. This is when bulletins and recalls get issued.

On the other hand if you have a problem that others may experience, but on a rare occasion, then it's a simply a statistical possibility. Similar to a medication listing the very rare side effects. They are known to occur in a limited amount of the population, but are no means the norm.

What I'm getting at is we all have our experiences when owning a product. Some of those experiences are widespread and shared by others. And other experiences may simply be a one off or isolated occurrence.
 

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Well, i guess based on another persons outlook. Your experience means nothing. Bc sample size n = 1, or n= 2 , for you and white3 , is garbage. It don't matter.
Well your opinion is a sample size n=1 therefore it’s garbage. It don’t matter. I’m done with this conversation.
 

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Well your opinion is a sample size n=1 therefore it’s garbage. It don’t matter. I’m done with this conversation.
I never stated thats "my opinion"

Sorry, being facetious is hard to convey on msg board. Read back several post would shed light.

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You're being far, far too kind so I'll say it. A sample size of N=1 means absolutely nothing, it's just garbage. Unfortunately many don't know why or care why this matters - all that matters is that someone said it so it must be true. Alas . . .
Well…..a car driven a bazillion miles that has tons of problems or virtually none at all so give SOME idea of the trend one would see over loooong term ownership. It does indicate to a degree certain systems like HVAC or drivetrain may show considerable strength or weakness. I’m not sure it’s the gospel truth, but I don’t think the word garage is accurate either.
That's right, some data points are better than one, and even more data points are even more betterer.

The classic simple statistics example applicable to sample size is the heads/tail coin flip toss. Theoretically we know in advance with enough data points and little/no bias (uneven coin, or other factors that favor one side over the over) that the outcome should be 50% heads and 50% tails. Flipping the coin once and getting heads doesn't mean the coin will likely always be heads. Flipping it twice and getting heads again still doesn't mean the flipped coin will likely be heads. But doing it thousands and millions of times will increase confidence in the (aforeknown) outcome.

In (automotive) engineering we try to balance the theoretical with the practical - we gotta make sheet work and get paid! For our high volume products (ie millions of units) we are doing real-time statistics with N=millions of sample size to meet internal & customer requirements of single digit parts per million failure rate - it's bloody insane when you think about it.

But during design/development our sample sizes are much, much smaller, like N=20-100 and have the sheet tested out of them. With these smaller sample sizes there is a risk of uncaught failure modes - and there have been instances of such to come back and bite us - but that is reflected in confidence levels and "experience." Caveat: even confidence levels are flawed but that's another story . . .

So applying this to car reliability stories (where there are an untold number of interacting & interrelated factors) for a sample size of N=1, my engineering brain cringes: is this one example representative of the entire population? N=5 is better but my pea brain is still cringing: is this representative of the entire population (or just a subset of the entire population who happens to care enough, have the time to write, in English from predominantly North America, on one specific website, on one specific forum in the worldwide interwebs)? N=10,000 and now you're getting me a little hot & bothered!

More data, more betterer!

This is why the insurance companies and casinos (well most of them anyways), or whoever controls/accesses the data, ahem Google, tend not to go bankrupt!
 

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I think we are giving this topic too much oxygen. At the end of the day, we all have different opinions as to what vehicles are reliable, and, perhaps more importantly, what constitutes reliability itself. These notions are sometimes shaped by experience, but are also quite commonly the interpretation or the synthesis of others' opinions.

I could talk about my views on reliability, on industry reporting, on Volvo itself, etc, until I was blue in the [keyboard] but it is simply too subjective a matter. It is always hard to convince anybody that their experience, or even a long-held opinion, is wrong. Is it not tiring to scroll through pages of banter when it will do nothing to change our intrinsic beliefs?
 

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Is it not tiring to scroll through pages of banter when it will do nothing to change our intrinsic beliefs?
If you assume everyone has an unalterable intrinsic belief, perhaps. Or even an intrinsic belief. For me this discussion has been useful. While I've driven a few Volvo's over the past 30 years and very much enjoyed the experience every time I have been in one, my only extended experience has been vicarious. Some close friends of ours had a Volvo wagon that they loved but it was constantly in the shop. Constantly. So, learning more broadly how others' experiences have been with reliability, what goes into their calculus relative to CR and JDP, etc. is useful. At least to me. I supposed if I see this type of thread a dozen times, it would become less useful and I'd just scroll right past the topic.
 
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