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The main purpose of installing the FMIC and Aquamist (AM) is that they both will provide the engine with cooler air in individually, right? <p>So my question is now - is it waste of time and money to install both? <br>Will the FMIC be so much more efficient than the AM that the investment in the AM does not give me any additional gains?
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (andersh67)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>andersh67</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The main purpose of installing the FMIC and Aquamist (AM) is that they both will provide the engine with cooler air in individually, right? <p>So my question is now - is it waste of time and money to install both? <br>Will the FMIC be so much more efficient than the AM that the investment in the AM does not give me any additional gains?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I am not sure how much added benefit there is by running water injection on top of an FMIC. The FMIC will already lower temps to near-ambient numbers. The water injection could be considered a final tweak.
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (andersh67)

IIRC, the Aquamist does not necessarilyy cool the intake charge which is what the FMIC does. Instead it promotes "in-cylinder" cooling due to the latent heat properties of water. I can probably dig-up an old A-Mist thread describing this if you need it...
 

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bb vign is correct. Water injection will cool in cylinder. IMO, water injection/FMIC serve the same function. But if you start spraying methanol in addition to water you will be able to increase your octane rating, all dependent on what your mixture is.<br>
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (bb vign)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bb vign</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can probably dig-up an old A-Mist thread describing this if you need it...</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Sure, please provide this for me. If possible also if you have anything regarding the methanol spraying instead of water as SHIFT_S60R mentioned below.
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (andersh67)

This product will make your intercooler even more efficient: <A HREF="http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=5" TARGET="_blank">http://www.designengineering.c...pid=5</A>
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (andersh67)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>andersh67</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sure, please provide this for me. If possible also if you have anything regarding the methanol spraying instead of water as SHIFT_S60R mentioned below.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Here you go - scroll about halfway down:<p><A HREF="http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=61702&page=2" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.swedespeed.com/z...age=2</A>
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (dradernh)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>dradernh</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This product will make your intercooler even more efficient: <A HREF="http://www.designengineering.com/products.asp?m=sp&pid=5" TARGET="_blank">http://www.designengineering.c...pid=5</A></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know co2 is cheap, but it seems pointless unless your drag racing.<p>I couldn't see that as a day to day use, or even road race use. <p>But aquamist is just water...<p>
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (dradernh)

This product will make your intercooler even more efficient: <A HREF="http://www.designengineering.c...pid=5" TARGET="_blank">http://www.designengineering.c...pid=5</A><p>I had a similar product on my WRX..But living in Oregon really didn't have too many occasions where it was needed. <p>It has a "kids" cool factor though..Gives off a good steam.
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (petert)

I have been doing some reading...<p>I read about a nitrous system that sprays on the IC, and it worked exceptionally well. Between the IC by itself and the IC with nitrous sprayed on, an average of 40-60whp was gained over multiple runs. Of course the first run was the best before heat soak, but the nitrous helped tame that soak later on.<p>The massive temperature drop resulted in some rich runs, almost at dangerous levels. There is a happy medium to be found when cooling the air coming in beyond the means of the IC by itself. It is almost like you can shock the sensors taking air temperature readings and it can potentially be dangerous.<p>The DIY, fit all nitrous kit was $300 something with a 5-10lb bottle I believe.
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (GiRaff3)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GiRaff3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have been doing some reading...<p>I read about a nitrous system that sprays on the IC, and it worked exceptionally well. Between the IC by itself and the IC with nitrous sprayed on, an average of 40-60whp was gained over multiple runs. Of course the first run was the best before heat soak, but the nitrous helped tame that soak later on.<p>The massive temperature drop resulted in some rich runs, almost at dangerous levels. There is a happy medium to be found when cooling the air coming in beyond the means of the IC by itself. It is almost like you can shock the sensors taking air temperature readings and it can potentially be dangerous.<p>The DIY, fit all nitrous kit was $300 something with a 5-10lb bottle I believe.</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>That would be Nitrous Xpress NTercooler.<p><br>Co2, the carbon dioxide systems are a bit more cost effective since the gas is just as cold, but not as expensive as nitrous.<p>Also, at 300+ bucks I'd rather just plumb a 50shot into the car itself.
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (chinaonnitrous1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chinaonnitrous1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p><br>That would be Nitrous Xpress NTercooler.<p><br>Co2, the carbon dioxide systems are a bit more cost effective since the gas is just as cold, but not as expensive as nitrous.<p>Also, at 300+ bucks I'd rather just plumb a 50shot into the car itself. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>NAWZ!?!?! You will blow the welds off of your intake manifold!
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (GiRaff3)

I haz intakez maifoldz?
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (chinaonnitrous1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>chinaonnitrous1</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I haz intakez maifoldz?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>They are next to your horse powers <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (andersh67)

As was stated, FMIC is for cooling ambient air, helping to maintain full power, works all year round (colder air = more oxygen). <p>Aquamist (wether you use just water, methanol or a mixture as found in wiper fluid as suggested by IPD) prevents detonation by absorbing excess heat in cylinder, also maintaining full power. However, it doesn't really provide a benefit unless you are over the temp threshold where the engine will retard timing/dump fuel to maintain cylinder temps. If your FMIC and driving style keep you from ever reaching that point, you won't see a benefit. <p>A couple of folks run both when it is really hot outside or when they are at the track, and said they still noticed a difference with aquamist despite FMIC, but those were under extreme driving conditions. YMMV. <p>Another consideration for many people was the Aquamist system was out prior to a readily available FMIC. Also, the fact that it would be fairly easy to remove the aquamist system prior to visiting the dealer if an engine problem developed, not so much with FMIC. With warranties expired, and Bell and PhMIC options available, neither of those conditions exist anymore. <p>My two cents: go with FMIC first, if you plan on tracking your car, add aquamist.
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist ("R" Kelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>"R" Kelly</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As was stated, FMIC is for cooling ambient air, helping to maintain full power, works all year round (colder air = more oxygen). <p>Aquamist (<b>wether</b> you use just water, methanol or a mixture as found in wiper fluid as suggested by IPD) prevents detonation by absorbing excess heat in cylinder, also maintaining full power. However, it doesn't really provide a benefit unless you are over the temp threshold where the engine will retard timing/dump fuel to maintain cylinder temps. If your FMIC and driving style keep you from ever reaching that point, you won't see a benefit. <p>A couple of folks run both when it is really hot outside or when they are at the track, and said they still noticed a difference with aquamist despite FMIC, but those were under extreme driving conditions. YMMV. <p>Another consideration for many people was the Aquamist system was out prior to a readily available FMIC. Also, the fact that it would be fairly easy to remove the aquamist system prior to visiting the dealer if an engine problem developed, not so much with FMIC. With warranties expired, and Bell and PhMIC options available, neither of those conditions exist anymore. <p>My two cents: go with FMIC first, if you plan on tracking your car, add aquamist. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Pretty much sums it up here. Also you spelled WETHER .. which is a castrated male sheep! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (chinaonnitrous1)

Both seem like overkill, unless your mods are overkill <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (GiRaff3)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>GiRaff3</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Both seem like overkill, unless your mods are overkill <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hope your not talking about a FMIC being overkill. The difference I experienced installing mine in June was staggering. The Texas heat was killing my performance.<p>South of the Mason-Dixon Line,,,, FMIC/PhMIC ALL THE WAY!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Combining FMIC and Aquamist (bobbrown13)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>bobbrown13</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hope your not talking about a FMIC being overkill. The difference I experienced installing mine in June was staggering. The Texas heat was killing my performance.<p>South of the Mason-Dixon Line,,,, FMIC/PhMIC ALL THE WAY!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>He's referencing both items together being overkill.<p>I hope....<p>Mr. Giraffe.<br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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