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Just curious (bored at work <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> ).<p>In my Miata days people would talk about perfecting the heel toe technique as well as clutchless shifting. The clutchless shifting topic never sunk in with me however..as in...why bother? It seemed more about posturing and bragging rights than actual real performance intent.<p>I have not tried it in my R (too nervous to mess with this expensive piece of machinery). I don't think I ever will. My question is if anyone here does it on a regular basis. I did a search of this topic and found nothing.
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (draken)

I did it in my old 740 Turbo. M46s are a dime a dozen. lol<p>Basically, there's a point where the engine speed will be just right, to allow the transmission to shift to another gear.<p>My dad showed me how to do it in his 1800ES actually.<p>Just pull gently on the shifter, until it feels easy to move it out, and that's the speed for it.
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (draken)

To answer the question of the OP: there really is no point. It's just something (fun / cool / stupid / idiotic / mindless) to do . <p>Chose your adjective. <p>And yes, people have done it. There has been a thread or two.
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (draken)

I used to do it all the time in my Mustang but not a chance in hell when the clutch is 3k (not that you are hurting the clutch but if the clutch costs that to replace I wouldn't want to go into the trans)! God only knows how much the trans would cost? Not worth the risk IMHO. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (Body Massage)

Yes, I know how to do it. My question is...what's the point? Will it not over time screw up the synchros?
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (Needsdecaf)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To answer the question of the OP: there really is no point. It's just something (fun / cool / stupid / idiotic / mindless) to do . <p>Chose your adjective. </TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (draken)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>draken</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Will it not <B>over time</B> screw up the synchros?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Sure will.<br>These trannies are not designed to do this <U>on a repeated basis.</U><br>A race trans has dog gears with <U>no synchros</U>, almost indistructible and done right, it works but you do have to know what you're doing!
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (FastR)

It is pretty common with trucks to save the clutch. I did it a few times in a truck years ago. Once it is out of gear, you kind of rest the stick just next to the desired gear and work the throttle to the right RPM so it would just pop into gear without (much) grinding. I would never, never do it in my R or any car.
 

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a long time ago at a pointless job a guy i often rode with did this in an old 80's honda. He was really really good at it, drove it like that all the time, never used the clutch except from dead stop.<p>how he did it so silky smooth i'll never know <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>i think he was just really lazy.<p>//would not do it my R
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (MJVolvo)

I used to do it to my A4 on it's FIRST trans <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Well, did it a few times, but after I found out the synchros were shot. Saves the clutch, kills the syncros IIRC. Also, I find that the R is *very* difficult to just 'pull' out of gear (never was able to), but for 1-2, 3-4, 5-6 shifts, if done 'right,' it's a nice option if you've been sitting in traffic FOREVER and are too exhausted to play with ur clutch - just don't mess it up!
 

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Re: Clutchless shifting. Anyone? (MJVolvo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MJVolvo</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It is pretty common with trucks to save the clutch. I did it a few times in a truck years ago. Once it is out of gear, you kind of rest the stick just next to the desired gear and work the throttle to the right RPM so it would just pop into gear without (much) grinding. I would never, never do it in my R or any car.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>More like saving your knee and the clutch,I do this daily if your good you don't rest it on the next gear you just shift seamlessly.<p>Edit I can do this on the R but generally don't the above statment pertains to a truck <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <BR><BR>
<i>Modified by volvosince16 at 5:00 PM 7-10-2009</i>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>AthruC</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, I find that the R is *very* difficult to just 'pull' out of gear (never was able to)</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I never done a clutchless shifting on the R but I can pull out of any gear without force at all <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> (R is too expensive to break it and I dont do it)
 

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Learned how to do this on my '88 VW Fox (first car I bought, not first car I had) when I snapped the clutch cable in Baltimore. Drove all the way to DC with no clutch. ...Only way to start off was to literally start the car in gear!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-Steve
 

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I'm waiting for someone with a GT to chime in.... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>FORD420diesel</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Learned how to do this on my '88 VW Fox (first car I bought, not first car I had) when I snapped the clutch cable in Baltimore. Drove all the way to DC with no clutch. ...Only way to start off was to literally start the car in gear!! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/sly.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/zeroforum_graphics/screwy.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>-Steve</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Been there, done that on many occasions in various cars over the years. Cluch hydraulics fail, cable snaps, throwout bearing grenades, etc etc.
 

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i like trying to put the car in reverse at highway speeds. havent been able to do it but i heard it saves you money in the long run by nit having to use brakes!
 

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$200 ish cost clutch <br>$2400 ish cost of tranny <br>+ labor and other parts <p>So no way in hell woudl I
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chilled Man</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">$200 ish cost clutch <br>$2400 ish cost of tranny <br>+ labor and other parts <br> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>being able to walk out to your driveway/ garage and have all the necessary parts lying around to be played with? priceless <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>mpdbrown</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i like trying to put the car in reverse at highway speeds. havent been able to do it but i heard it saves you money in the long run by nit having to use brakes!</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Did you ever see the episode of Mythbusters where they tried this. Those dudes kill me, oh by the way they have way, way, way too much fun.
 
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