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I've got a couple thousand miles now on my new-ish '12 XC70 T6...many things to like, a few issues.

One issue is that the city-safety feature has rendered my Valentine One radar detector all but useless. The laser signal generated by city-safety causes the V1 to go haywire on a regular (although not-continuous) basis...very annoying, to say the least. The V1 folks do not have a work-around, other than to disable the V! itself in regards to *any* laser signal.

I have a call into my local service dept. to ask this, but heck, why not try the forums?

Is there a way to disable the city-safety signal without causing any other issues with the car, dash-warning lights to come on, etc.?

EDIT: I know that one can turnoff city-safety in the "My Car" area, but I am assuming one of two things, 1) the signal is continuous, this just turns off the receptors, 2) If this does turn the system completely off (not sending the laser signal), you have to do this every damned time you start the car!

I would post photos of the new car, but I live on a gravel/dirt road, and the car is rarely presentable!

Lastly (and on a positive-note), I replaced the rear anti-sway bar (and end-links) with the IPD product, and I am one happy-camper with the immediately-noticeable increase in stability on sweeping curves, etc. The car has nearly no rear body-sway now, and will be a huge benefit for mountain-freeway driving. I assume I will have a bit more stability with high cross-winds, as well.

Kudos to IPD for this.

I am also hoping for a lowering-kit from IPD at some point down the road...I'd love to get more of a Euro-sport touring-wagon look and ride to the XC70.
 

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I'd try turning it off in "My Car" I would think that would persist across restarts.
If not, look in the owner's manual and find the fuse that powers City Safety and pull it.
 

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Yeah, turning it off in "My Car" only works until the car is shut off. Turn it on again, and you have to do the same thing.

Looking through the fuse-area in my manual right now...nothing listed.

EFDIT: Confirmed that the laser is continuous, no way to turn it of via above-board methods...
 

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Yeah, turning it off in "My Car" only works until the car is shut off. Turn it on again, and you have to do the same thing.

...and I'm still unsure if doing this actually turns off the laser signal, or just the resulting function.

Looking through the fuse-area in my manual right now...nothing listed.
Looking at this: http://esd.volvocars.com/local/us/2012-Volvo-XC70-Owners-Manual.pdf
Go to page 341.
Positions-Fuse Box B shows Fuse #5 as "Adaptive cruise control/collision warning". I'm pretty sure collision warning is the City Safety. Try pulling that.
Hope you don't mind losing ACC, though that probably makes your V1 freak out as well...
 

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I am also hoping for a lowering-kit from IPD at some point down the road...I'd love to get more of a Euro-sport touring-wagon look and ride to the XC70.
HEICO Sportiv offers springs for the XC70, but not sure how they translate onto the T6, you'll have to inquire about that.

HEICO Sportiv XC Springs & Suspension
 

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Looking at this: http://esd.volvocars.com/local/us/2012-Volvo-XC70-Owners-Manual.pdf
Go to page 341.
Positions-Fuse Box B shows Fuse #5 as "Adaptive cruise control/collision warning". I'm pretty sure collision warning is the City Safety. Try pulling that.
Hope you don't mind losing ACC, though that probably makes your V1 freak out as well...

The city-safety & collision warning features are separate. I believe that the collision warning is a part of the BLIS system, which I didn't want on my car...for this exact reason. There is some chance that the fuse you mention *also* deals with the city-safety electronics, but there is an equal chance that it will disable *all* cruise-control functions.

I'm going to chat with Volvo customer-care today in the hopes of *eventually* getting through to someone with tech info...I want to pull the cowling off the windshield-mounted rear-view mirror equipment, and simply disconnect the power to the laser.

HEICO Sportiv offers springs for the XC70, but not sure how they translate onto the T6, you'll have to inquire about that.

HEICO Sportiv XC Springs & Suspension

Thanks for this link.

I don't know whether this will work for a '12 T6, but with only 30 mm of lowering it's not what I want. I'm hoping for more than double that, if there's room.
 

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I believe clamps are really your only option, and I wouldn't recommend doing that.
 

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Turning off city safety will not turn off the laser, only keep it from reacting to the collision threat. I've got the same issue. I heard you could put tape over the city safety eye but I haven't tried it myself. It seems that if I keep a bit more margin between me and the next guy it helps but is still annoying. ACC and you're just done for :(
 

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Turning off city safety will not turn off the laser, only keep it from reacting to the collision threat.

<<snip>>

Thanks...that's exactly what I did NOT want to hear.

I will track down the wiring diagram as best I can, and report back here. One should be able to simply unplug or un-power the laser under the cowling on the windshield...I hope.
 

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Any updates on this?

I have what appears to be the same problem with my upgraded Escort Redline detector and my 2012 S60 R-Design.
The laser alarm on my detector goes off when I approach other vehicles or am near objects.

I just want to disable City Safety's laser beam. Not sure why Volvo decided that turning City Safety off leaves the laser beam enabled!
I love my car, but this specific part of the design (leaving the laser turned on even when City Safety is off) is a shame.
 

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A piece of tape across the laser lens on CS will help


Thanks! That sounds promising.

So the laser lens can be taped up / covered from the inside of the car?
(I wasn't sure whether the lens was accessible (i.e. thought the system enclosed in the sense that I thought it might be pressed up against the windshield with no gap between the windshield and the city safety panel containing the laser lens).

Do I need to somehow get behind the City Safety panel (i.e. by the rearview mirror) to be able to access and cover the lens?
Any help would be appreciated...

Thanks again.

Edit: Or do you mean apply the tape on the outside of the windshield?

I saw in another thread, that I can't find right now, that you noted you moved the detector. Did you also move it (slightly) off center (not recommended) or just lower? The reason I ask is that my detector is already low on the windshield.
 

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I have not done this to mine but I've been told it can work. I wouldn't think a piece outside would be so attractive!
 

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I have not done this to mine but I've been told it can work. I wouldn't think a piece outside would be so attractive!
Thanks!
Exactly (re. the look factor).
If Volvo would simply turn off the laser beam when the City Safety feature is turned off and also allow the City Safe Off setting to persist across restarts (right now City Safety gets re-enabled every time you start the car and since it is not a 1 click setting it would be a pain to disable it each time).

Judging by the other thread, nobody has had much success, other than you (I believe) by moving the detector a bit. Mine is already low on the windshield to improve laser detection.
 

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Thanks!
Exactly (re. the look factor).
If Volvo would simply turn off the laser beam when the City Safety feature is turned off and also allow the City Safe Off setting to persist across restarts (right now City Safety gets re-enabled every time you start the car and since it is not a 1 click setting it would be a pain to disable it each time).

Judging by the other thread, nobody has had much success, other than you (I believe) by moving the detector a bit. Mine is already low on the windshield to improve laser detection.
I mount my V1 high in order to improve laser detection actually. Their instructions explain why but basically the cop isn't going to miss the shot by a lot. If he does some of the laser beam will hit the front of your hood and reflect up high, so you need to mount high to have a chance of picking this up. If you mount low you'll only detect a direct shot, and cops aren't going to aim that far off.
 

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I mount my V1 high in order to improve laser detection actually. Their instructions explain why but basically the cop isn't going to miss the shot by a lot. If he does some of the laser beam will hit the front of your hood and reflect up high, so you need to mount high to have a chance of picking this up. If you mount low you'll only detect a direct shot, and cops aren't going to aim that far off.
Interesting, thanks!
All the posts I have read on the Escort Radar (and other radar) forums say low is better for laser, presumably to catch the direct headlight or plate laser shots].
[As we know, high mounting is better for radar].

I assumed they also meant low for laser scatter, but who knows... I don't know exactly the reflection characteristics in play for scatter of vehicles ahead being hit by laser.The explanation you got can make sense for a reflection (IF any that is, since a direct headlight or plate hit may not cause a reflection towards the windshield area???) .

Hmmm. Something to ponder...

EDIT - Just came across Mike Valentine's laser tips and he suggests high mounting for best chance of advanced warning and low mounting to increase chances of not missing a (direct) shot. He prefers high.

He prefers high mounting for laser detection since he values advance warning.
Of course if there is no other traffic, I assume low mounting might be better for laser in that scenario (i.e. when you are the ONLY target).

DISCLAIMER - I don't claim to be an expert on laser (just have read tips and other posts on the subject). My posts are just my thoughts to get a discussion going.
I will let others do their own research and form their own opinion on where to mount their detectors...
 

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If you mount low you'll only detect a direct shot, and cops aren't going to aim that far off.
Around here, most of the cops aren't laser sharp shooters. The LIDAR traps are usually at least 1000 feet from where the vehicle becomes visible and is targeted, and they are using LIDAR because it allows them to pick a vehicle out of a crowd. I've hit LIDAR traps numerous times with my 8500i and 9500ix and every time they hit the detector and I've had time to slow down (especially since it's hard for them to adjust their tracking when the car is changing its velocity).

If you really want to avoid LIDAR tickets, I would just shut off detection on the V1 and get a jammer.
 

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Fuse box headaches

1. So I found one of the two fuseboxes that is under the S60's glove box behind the upholstery (glove box fuse box B which is the bigger of the two).
I can't get it open!

As someone posted in another forum, the design is poor - not too easy to find (diagram is not helpful) and hard to access (someone without a limber body could never crouch down and switch a fuse).
Even then the instructions don't show how to open it (the left box - box A, once exposed, at least has a clip).

Does anyone know if the clip for fuse box B under the S60's glove box is in the middle at the top?
I could not get the fuse box cover (for the larger of the two - box B) open.


2) Fuses 5 and 19 BOTH mention collision warning.
Fuse 5 says Adaptive cruise control/collision warning
Fuse 19 says Collision Warning System.

Is one, or both of, these for City Safety?
I was going to try it out but been having a hard time just getting the panel open!!!
 

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I hope someone here can help me with the step to get the fuse box (fuse box 'B', the rightmost one under the glove box) open. I.e. where is the button or tab.

The 'Opening' instructions are not clear as to whether they are for box A, B or both and the diagram does not have an arrow where to open it.
http://www.m-sedan.com/under_the_glove_compartment-7617.html

Once open I can experiment on my own with determining whether fuse 5 or 19 is for City Safety, if nobody knows which one is for City Safety or whether both are for CitySafety.

I called Volvo Corporate (no longer have a phone tech advice dept for legal reasons I was told) and they suggested going to the service dept at a dealer. It is unfortauntely not convenient for me to go to a dealer given my work schedule...
 
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