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I was thinking about swapping the + and - on the GT and was wondering if anyone has done this? It just seems to make more sense to me to switch it so you have to pull the shifter backward to upshift, instead of push it forward. I would assume that it would just mean switching the sensors, or maybe just the wiring, but I havent had my console apart yet to look at it. Any ideas????
 

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Re: Changing GT shifter direction in manual mode (deep60)

So I'm reviving this. Anyone done this or know what I'm talking about???
 

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Re: Changing GT shifter direction in manual mode (deep60)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>deep60</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I'm reviving this. Anyone done this or know what I'm talking about???</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're probably the only one who thinks they're backwards.
 

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Re: Changing GT shifter direction in manual mode (deep60)

Well it is Swedish and they think a little uniquely in that country. <br>It will only drive you nuts if you have a second car which shifts in the opposite direction and have to unlearn your habits all the time. My wife's 325 does this to me every time I drive it... not just the shifter but almost every control (steering wheel buttons, wipers, turn signal leaver) are all reversed). Personally I preffer the German take on the shifter direction.<p>I'm not promoting doing this but I would think revearsing the wires would not be too hard - just unplug the battery 1st <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> <br><BR><BR>
<i>Modified by ss60 at 5:33 PM 5-7-2006</i>
 

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Re: Changing GT shifter direction in manual mode (ss60)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ss60</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not promoting doing this but I would think revearsing the wires would not be too hard - just unplug the battery 1st <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yea, that's kinda what I was thinking, but I haven't had the time to open it up and look at it. Maybe I do have some German blood running through me after all...
 

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I have to agree with you about it feeling backwards. I had a Mazda 6 for a rental car for a day and it felt much more natural. When accelerating, your hand wants to move back and when braking your hands want to go forward. It just felt right. I have to say though the whole GT thing leaves me dissapointed though because of the delay. You have to lead the shift point so much that the only thing I find myself using it for is downshifting.<p>Anyway, sorry for the rant, have you tried to reverse it yet?
 

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No, I haven't had the chance to look at it yet. Working 80 hours a week keeps me kinda busy <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> . Hopefully this coming week or weekend I will have some time to futz with it. I'll keep you guys posted on what I find. I have to be careful though, cause knowing my luck lately, I might be walking to work if I mess with it too much <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I was also confused at first but if you really think about the logic... pushing it up forward is upshifting and to downshift you pull it down back. doesn't that make sense? or is it just me? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <br>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>blackTT55</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was also confused at first but if you really think about the logic... pushing it up forward is upshifting and to downshift you pull it down back. doesn't that make sense? or is it just me? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Volvo's way makes the most sense - it's the same way race cars do it. BMW is backwards.
 

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well, in theory, yes pushing forward for upshift and pulling backward for downshifting sounds right.<br>but i have to agree with most people here that in doesn't feel right when you're driving. <br>this maybe because of the manual tranny habit we've acquired before : when you start and move, the first shift you make is from 1st to 2nd which is pulling backwards. i found myself trying to pull back in geartronics 1st gear at 5000 rpms a couple of times. thank god the geartronic doesn't have a neutral !!
 

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Re: Changing GT shifter direction in manual mode (deep60)

I like the Volvo way, it seems natural to me. Forward to go faster, back when slowing down.<p>On switching them, you can't really do it. The +/- shift is done with a hall effect type sensor. There is a magnet on the shift lever and a surface mount IC in the + and - positions on the board under the shift cover. Moving those would not be easy, but you might be able to do it if you're good with working on surface mount boards. You could maybe cut all the tracks to the 2 chips and solder in jumper wires to reverse them (basically, sending the tracks for the '+' chip to the '-' chip and vise vesa). I wouldn't want to do it unless it was a spare board though.
 

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Re: Changing GT shifter direction in manual mode (houlster)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>houlster</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On switching them, you can't really do it. The +/- shift is done with a hall effect type sensor. There is a magnet on the shift lever and a surface mount IC in the + and - positions on the board under the shift cover. Moving those would not be easy, but you might be able to do it if you're good with working on surface mount boards. You could maybe cut all the tracks to the 2 chips and solder in jumper wires to reverse them (basically, sending the tracks for the '+' chip to the '-' chip and vise vesa). I wouldn't want to do it unless it was a spare board though.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Greaaaatttt. I really need to look at this soon. I'm almost starting to forget what a day off is <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> . Maybe all my electronics hacking in the past will pay off... Hey does anyone know if you can even buy these ICs? I'd like to have a backup if I get a little too greedy.<BR><BR>
<i>Modified by deep60 at 12:26 AM 5-10-2006</i>
 

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I remember reading over on the R forum, when someone was talking about installing paddle shifters, that JimLill said it would be extremely difficult becauseof the hall effect system that houlster described, I believe this would be the same issue, unless one can just swap the two boards, haven't torn it down myself, so I can't testify to anything.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Warpedcow</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Volvo's way makes the most sense - it's the same way race cars do it. BMW is backwards.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Actually, that's not the way most race cars shift. If you watch in car coverage of sequentially shifted boxes, most are forward for downshift, back for upshift. <p>Think about it. When you're accelerating, the g-forces are pressing you backwards. Pushing forwards is opposite the g-forces, and feels unnatural. <p>
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>needsdecaf</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Think about it. When you're accelerating, the g-forces are pressing you backwards. Pushing forwards is opposite the g-forces, and feels unnatural. <br></TD></TR></TABLE><br>Well.. I guess you have a point here as well.. maybe it's just a matter of preference. They should have made it re-versible so that you have an option to reverse the shifting order to suite your preference.
 
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