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I am a long, LONG time reader of this site. I read it several times a day. Don't know why I never posted, but I just had to post this...<p>So, I work at a Volvo dealership here in the midwest. Yesterday someone Cash for Clunkered this...<br> <IMG SRC="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_X9ftpakUIbU/Sm8lvFqqQaI/AAAAAAAADco/rkABY4ZO-kA/s512/IMG_0221.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_X9ftpakUIbU/Sm8lva02knI/AAAAAAAADcw/zmDJxrSEo54/s512/IMG_0222.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_X9ftpakUIbU/Sm8lv_mRMMI/AAAAAAAADc4/MYlbaUpXzGk/s512/IMG_0223.JPG" BORDER="0"> <br> <IMG SRC="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_X9ftpakUIbU/Sm8lwIJDVlI/AAAAAAAADdA/MbTd9Oonue8/s512/IMG_0224.JPG" BORDER="0"> <p>98 V70 AWD - 101,000 miles. Straight body. Transmission won't go into reverse...going to the crusher.
 

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Oh, there will definitely be some "throwing babies out with the bathwater" on this program. Some fine old machines will inevitably be lost. My R wagon qualifies. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vortexmediagroup.com/images/banghead.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><B> THEY'LL NEVER TAKE ME (IT) ALIVE!!!</B> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>On the bright side, the techs get to dump sodium silicate into the engine, and run it until it seizes???<p>Would be kinda fun, to have races and see who can get the farthest around the parking lot! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Cash for Clunkers...sad... (Ian A)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ian A</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am a long, LONG time reader of this site. I read it several times a day. Don't know why I never posted, but I just had to post this...<p>So, I work at a Volvo dealership here in the midwest. Yesterday someone Cash for Clunkered this...<br> ...98 V70 AWD - 101,000 miles. Straight body. Transmission won't go into reverse...going to the crusher. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Looks can be deceiving. "Transmission won't go into reverse" could have been just 1 of the problems. We all know that all of the 'little things' that can go wrong with these cars/wagons add up...quickly! There have been many occasions when I wanted to send 1 or more of my Volvos "to the crusher", and I would have pulled the lever/switch! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/mad.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Had this program started a month or 2 ago, I may have stripped the wheels & suspension mods from my '99 NA and dumped it. Not sure if my new Mazdaspeed 3 would have qualified for this program anyway, and not sure if they would've given me the full $4500 ($3500 ?) or whatever, anyway!<br>
 

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if I had the money my 98R woudl be gone in a hot second. <p>I just once in my life have car I dont have to do anything to and its inspected and cant get pulled over for something dumb.
 

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What's even more of a joke about this program is that it's in many cases more environmentally friendly to keep your existing car and many of these S/V70s from our era get better gas mileage than the new Volvos. I know my modded wagon gets in the upper 20s to nearly 30 mpg if I try on the highway versus a brand new Volvo which can't get more than 25 and if its an XC90 it can't even hit 20.
 

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i want the driver seat haha. theres nothing to bad about mine but that looks better than mine so i want it haha shame they are just gunna give it the purple koolaid to its death<p>wait wrong color interior i think who knows
 

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The local news station here in D.C. had a story about businesses benefiting from this program and they interviewed a recycler who is getting these cars. <p>He said he is removing parts that are salvageable and then crushing the car. So, hopefully some of these interiors and other bits get stripped off before crushing.<p>I don't think any FWD Volvos qualify for this program. Under the new fuel economy calculations, our cars have a combined 19mpg rating, 18 is the limit. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0"> The AWD models appear to qualify based on the above pict. <p>What car was this traded in on that made it into the C4C program? A S40?<p>
 

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On July 24th, the EPA revised the eligible vehicles list for the C4C program, and the '98-00 AWD cars are NO LONGER ELIGIBLE. They were previously listed at 18 mpg combined but now they are at 19 mpg. I don't think you'll be seeing many more "clunkered" AWD Volvos.<p><A HREF="http://www.edmunds.com/cash-for-clunkers/eligible-vehicles.html#f" TARGET="_blank">http://www.edmunds.com/cash-fo...tml#f</A>
 

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Re: Cash for Clunkers...sad... (Taleof2Bricks2)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Taleof2Bricks2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...<p>Had this program started a month or 2 ago, I may have stripped the wheels & suspension mods from my '99 NA and dumped it. Not sure if my new Mazdaspeed 3 would have qualified for this program anyway, and not sure if they would've given me the full $4500 ($3500 ?) or whatever, anyway!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>It has to be "running"; however, there seems to be some confusion in the program over the exact definition of the term... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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And therein lies the problem. We worked this deal beforehand. We're trying to figure out what to do at the moment. <p>They traded it in on a brand new S60 2.5t SE. <p>My big issue with this program isn't necessarily what the problems with the cars are. It's the fact that people are trading these cars in and realistically, they could be excellent cars for families on a budget. <p>Sure, we all know the problems inherent with the 98-00 70 series. However, I would put a 98 V70 AWD up against a similar year/mileage Pontiac Montana or whatever budget van someone may be looking at. <p>This car, while maybe not worth the $3500 (due to the tranny), would certainly be worth that much to a small family in need of good, reliable transportation. <p>Plus, I love the 70 series. I have an S70 GLT that I've driven forever and love. So I have a special relationship with these cars. <p> Ian
 

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does the customer know about the $3500 that just vanished?<p>
 

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We're eating it.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Ian A</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...This car, while maybe not worth the $3500 (due to the tranny), <B>would certainly be worth that much to a small family in need of good, reliable transportation</B>. <p>Plus, I love the 70 series. I have an S70 GLT that I've driven forever and love. So I have a special relationship with these cars....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I have owned many (still have 2) 70 series cars/wagons since 12/98. I have seen many at Volvo service depts & independent shops "pass" on this or that repair, because it wasn't in their budget. Even if you are a do-it-yourselfer, parts aren't cheap either. Sure, some have had the 'luck of the draw' and have put out a relatively small amount of $ to keep theirs in good shape, but I know Toyota owners who have spent a fraction of what I have in any 1 of my Volvos, still rolling after 200-300k!<p>My cars have always been very well maintained, and I have more than 1 "Bible-sized" binder with receipts for every little thing, amounting to thousands of $. I continue to keep mine ( & seek out low mileage, unique Volvos), but I would'nt consider them a good vehicle for a small family on a budget. <p>My T5M was just 'retired' from daily driver duties, replaced by a Mazdaspeed 3 (no financing needed). In addition to the maintenance/repairs I have in the T5M, I got caught up in the modding frenzy & have several thousands of $ more in mods. Sure it's fast, but my Speed 3 is a much better ride, all around, no question. My girlfriend upset me by pointing out that all in all, I may have about as much $$ in my T5M as I paid for my Speed 3....but she's probably right!<p>
 

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Alright. Then crush them all! <p>My S70 GLT has had no issues other than the shock mounts (strut tops) in the last five years that I've owned it. I've read about air conditioners and this and that...but no problems. That's how I ended up working here. A college grad who enjoyed his car so much that he wanted to work for a Volvo dealership. <p>At our shop, if an 850/98 70 series isn't mint (evap replaced, timing belt recent or our replacement, strut tops in good condition, etc) it goes straight to auction. Granted, we only keep about half, but in my two years of being here we've had more issues with S80 T6s and XC90 T6s than a 70 or 850 series Volvo. <p>In the meantime, my Toyota truck has had this problem overtake it. <br><A HREF="http://jalopnik.com/5232946/toyota-truck-owners-clamoring-for-recall-over-dangerously-rusted-frames" TARGET="_blank">http://jalopnik.com/5232946/to...rames</A><p>So while you know of people who have had no problem with their Toyotas, mine is dangerously close to actually falling apart while I drive it. <p>At the same time, it's not like people get into these cars by accident. A large share of people who come in here know what they're getting into. Safety is their major concern and compared to a similar year VW, this is a tank. <p>And I'll tell you, stop on over to the VW, Audi, and Saab forums and you'll see just as many complaints about their cars. <p>I also think they look better than most. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/smile.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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I also must apologize. I didn't want any drama by coming here and posting this. I just wanted to share what I thought was an unfortunate event predicated by a slightly misguided government bill. I tend to have a slight infatuation with these models and I apologize if they are viewed as nothing more than unreliable junk that deserve to be crushed. To each their own, I guess. <p>You can argue that this car should be crushed all you want. I won't argue. Now that we know that the car will not be accepted into the CARS program, we will be replacing the transmission and going from there. <p>At least the client is happy in his new S60! That's what I really care about.
 

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No worries - I think we all have "issues" with these cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>When you look at a pile of repair receipts that are over $10k, knowing there is a few thousand more waiting in the wings, there has to be something off just a little. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p>
 

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Re: Cash for Clunkers...sad... (Taleof2Bricks2)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Taleof2Bricks2</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Had this program started a month or 2 ago, I may have stripped the wheels & suspension mods from my '99 NA and dumped it. Not sure if my new Mazdaspeed 3 would have qualified for this program anyway, and not sure if they would've given me the full $4500 ($3500 ?) or whatever, anyway!<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Your NA never would have qualified- the combined fuel mileage is too high. I was on the fueleconomy.gov site yesterday. I do think the MS3 would have qualified on the other end, however.<p>Apparently, the dealer that takes the vehicle in is required to put some substance in the motor that prevents it from ever running again. Does anybody know what that is? How does the government track if the car is sent to the crusher?
 

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Re: Cash for Clunkers...sad... (Wayne T5)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Wayne T5</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Your NA never would have qualified- the combined fuel mileage is too high. I was on the fueleconomy.gov site yesterday. I do think the MS3 would have qualified on the other end, however.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know....The car has actually been good to me, & its 172k miles are all my own. I have posted pics of it on here before, & it may actually be 1 of the nicest NA's around. <p>Still, many of us voice frustration (I remember a post referring to "these POS cars") after having to plunk down several more hundred for this or that. I could never sell the car for what I have into it (none of us can), & I may have more in this one than most, for an NA. It will actually be handed over to my almost 15yr old son next year...not a bad (looking & overall) first car, for a 10th grader.<p>Still, I can still threaten to send it (or any of my POS Volvos!) 'to the crusher', when the next issue pops up.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>[email protected]</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No worries - I think we all have "issues" with these cars. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"><p>When you look at a pile of repair receipts that are over $10k, knowing there is a few thousand more waiting in the wings, there has to be something off just a little. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0"><p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Thats because you pay for it all to be done <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/eek.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Cheap cars to own and maintain if you do everything yourself <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 
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