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Well, fantastic. I just love all of the continuous problems I've been having with this car... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Just replaced the passenger's side fog light, drove to Wegmans, bought some <i>ice cream</i>, and came out to find that my car didn't want to start <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"><p>I put the clutch down, turn the key, it makes a single click (relay?) and then doesn't even crank. It gave me some message about the immobilizer a few times.<p>So, I've read about the RF receiver ring thing in the steering column around the keyhole going bad. The key is less than a year old, but I'll try and get my parents to send me out the spare.<p>Is the receiver ring the only possible culprit here? I did a cursory search and saw some stuff about the ECM and the CEM. Those possibilities too? Would a dead battery cause it not to crank at all? Anything else? Something easier/cheaper please/perhaps??? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/redface.gif" BORDER="0"><p>Thanks for any/all help... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: Car won't start, won't crank. Has been Immobilized... (StarmanDXE)

Maybe remove battery cables to reset everything...not much help but it's worth a try.
 

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unlock and lock the car a few times and you willl be golden <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>volvosince16</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe remove battery cables to reset everything...not much help but it's worth a try.</TD></TR></TABLE><br>Tried it, but only left it off for a minute or two. Read somewhere to do it for <10 minutes. Will try that in the morning.<p><br><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Chilled Man</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">unlock and lock the car a few times and you willl be golden <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><br>Tried that, too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/frown.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Re: (StarmanDXE)

Remove cables and tape them togther for 10 mins this should reset everything IIRC
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>volvosince16</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Remove cables and tape them togther for 10 mins this should reset everything IIRC</TD></TR></TABLE><br>"Short" the battery? (Well, without the battery there, of course <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">) Drain all of the capacitors?
 

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Re: (StarmanDXE)

Sounds odd but this is what the dealers do. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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Doesn't sound <i>that</i> odd. Will give it a shot! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://********************/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Parents are going to overnight the other key if these quick-fixes don't work (and if I find that the battery voltage isn't pathetically low. Would a dead battery make it not turn over at all?) Otherwise, any idea what's cheapest to replace first? The RF receiver ring thing? I'm guessing that it's cheaper than either of the possible modules...
 

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Re: (StarmanDXE)

Low voltage can cause all kinds of gremlins,not sure on the other part of the question since I havn't dealt with it I'm sure sombody else will chime in.
 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>StarmanDXE</b> »</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>"Short" the battery? (Well, without the battery there, of course <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/tongue.gif" BORDER="0">) Drain all of the capacitors?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>haha, i think he means the cables on the car<br>I've also heard of unplugging the battery and pressing the brakes so all the electricity is drained out of the car
 

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Well, I went out this morning, put the key in the ignition, turned it, and, I'm not sure if it was imagined or not, but it felt like the car hesitated for a split second, and then it started right up! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/rolleyes.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Let it run for a minute or two and then shut it off. Checked the battery voltage through the engine compartment and it read ~13V. Not entirely sure if that's good or bad, but I'm 99% sure that this car still has the original battery, so I think I'll replace it. <p>Anyone have any suggestions for best bang for the buck? What was that one you suggested Justin...? Or maybe I'll just take it over to PepBoys and have them install whatever <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/biggrin.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/wink.gif" BORDER="0">
 

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13volts is where its supposed to be. <p>11 and under = car wont start
 

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Well, that was after I ran the car for a few minutes. I'm guessing maybe it recharged itself a bit while it sat overnight?<p>Anyway, I think I'll replace it for the peace-of-mind, if it's not actually the problem. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if it was. These Volvos are wonky. When the battery died in my 850, it would crank but not start. Wouldn't even jump from a tow truck... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://www.vwvortex.com/vwbb/confused.gif" BORDER="0"><p>So, yeah: any battery suggestions? Is there anything I can really go wrong with?
 

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Re: (StarmanDXE)

With the atypical placement of these batteries, you'll find the selection is limited, as Volvo really wants you to use one that fits the vent hose, so any battery gases are ported out of the car and don't just fester in the trunk.
 

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No joke! I think NAPA and PepBoys were the only ones to have a battery in stock! I think I'll go with the $85 Bosch from PepBoys over the ~$120 one from NAPA...<p>Also, I thought most batteries were sealed. Is that something different from the need for that vent hose?
 

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Well, battery read 12.2V when I checked it a bit ago before starting it. Picked up that Bosch one and it read 12.4V. If that's not the problem, it was probably worth replacing it anyway as I'm fairly certain that was the stock battery I just removed (at ~7 years of age).
 

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Re: (StarmanDXE)

Low battery can cause this,<br>Key ring can cause this,<br>Other immolizer issues can cause this.<p>I would go thru the basics;<br>1st: charge or install a new battery (You load test it first, of course)
 

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Sudden no crank issue, no immobilizer activated?

So many dead ends on forums, a problem is mentioned, and then years goes by and nothing, as if none have had problems ever since, amazing, so I will give this old thread a shot, anyone figure out what causes sudden no crank issue? Have been through everything, new battery, new starter, new starter relay, checked starter by jumping pin 30 to 87 at starter relay, cranks, but will not start. Changed ignition antenna halo ring, nothing, so any hints what can cause this problem which seems common on forums, but no answers. Immobilizer is not activated, key works at unlocking car, alarm, etc., changed battery anyhow, no change. checked all fuses with meter, cleaned connectors with electronic spray, no signs of moisture in CEM, common problem with clogged sunroof drain tubes. When I turn key, I do get a relay click from CEM, so ignition switch is working, so what is left, the ignition key, I would have to have it towed 100 miles to get this replaced, sick.

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No Crank - Possible Solution

So many dead ends on forums, a problem is mentioned, and then years goes by and nothing, as if none have had problems ever since, amazing, so I will give this old thread a shot, anyone figure out what causes sudden no crank issue? Have been through everything, new battery, new starter, new starter relay, checked starter by jumping pin 30 to 87 at starter relay, cranks, but will not start. Changed ignition antenna halo ring, nothing, so any hints what can cause this problem which seems common on forums, but no answers. Immobilizer is not activated, key works at unlocking car, alarm, etc., changed battery anyhow, no change. checked all fuses with meter, cleaned connectors with electronic spray, no signs of moisture in CEM, common problem with clogged sunroof drain tubes. When I turn key, I do get a relay click from CEM, so ignition switch is working, so what is left, the ignition key, I would have to have it towed 100 miles to get this replaced, sick.

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I experienced a similar problem with my 2006 S60. After checking the battery and fuses I tried the "square relay type cubes" located in the engine fuse box. There are two identical ones in there (with engine or ignition on the labels). I pulled them out, wiped off the connections and reinserted them and voila - the car started right up - once. Repeating the process and it worked again (continued working for awhile), which was fortunate for me as I was 150 miles from home. Then took it to the shop where they replaced it and haven't had anymore trouble. The shop couldn't detect anything with diagnostics with the old part in place. My theory is there is a relay that get stuck and pulling it out resets it. Anyhow, I hope it works for you as well. Good Luck!
 
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